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Gorean Reading Society: 11-April-2017
Post by ruby~{Randolph}~t on Apr 11th, 2017, 4:32pm

Captive of Gor - book 7
Chapter 12 - "I Gather Berries"
Chapter 13 - "I Feel the Capture Loop"


Jarl Randolph
Master Bretval - Moderator

ruby{Randolph}~t - scribe

Bretval {meral}: 13:33:34 pm CDT
lets just dig right in... might get two Chapters done

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:33:50 pm CDT
ok, listens

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:33:51 pm CDT
poises nib to finely milled rence parchment..listens intently

meral{Bretval} 13:34:26 pm CDT
~turning her attention to her Master~

Bretval {meral}: 13:35:22 pm CDT
Chapter Twelve

Once again Norman indulges his peculiar penchant for fast-forwarding some period of time, and having then set the scene, taking a retrospective look at what has happened in the interim. This can be an effective narrative device, but now and then he seems to over-use it somewhat. So to put things in the right order, what has happened is that Inge has been provoked into a fight with Elinor and has beaten her easily, which has lowered Elinor a long way in the pecking order. This happened while they were watching the triumphal arrival of Marlenus’s hunting party at Ko-ro-ba, complete with his many catches of live big game, male outlaws (now enslaved) and Verna’s band of Panthers. Inge and Ute were both stricken with a large dose of slave belly at the mere sight of the hunters, and Elinor dropped one catty remark too many for Inge’s liking.

Elinor’s considerable distress at this downturn in her fortunes is tempered by the sight of Verna herself, caged and helpless, and she vents some of her spite on the Panther queen by goading the other slaves present - most of the slave population of Ko-ro-ba - to torment her and attack her. This Verna bears stoically. And a few days later, when their paths cross again, Elinor has the chance for further meanness in person, but gets no other response out of her than a disinterested “You have pierced ears”. But she comforts herself with the thought that she has shown Verna her superiority, as she likes to think of it, and given that by now none of the slaves in the caravan will have anything to do with her except the egregious Lana, she needs all the sops she can get.

meral{Bretval} 13:38:41 pm CDT
mea was happy to see the bully elinor put in her place by both Inge and Verna

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:39:01 pm CDT
Well what can one say other than that slut Elinor is written into the story as the bad girl.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:41:06 pm CDT
I liked the barb "you have pieced ears" but probably went over the head of Elinor

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:42:14 pm CDT
indeed mea
however Elinor, is still of the belief, when sold she could make her Master suffer, to bring Him to His knees, have Him plea for her pleasures..that she would conquer.....Elinor is still an ignorant slut

Bretval {meral}: 13:42:19 pm CDT
I agree, mea you can put in white silk and a collar but that by itself does not make a girl a slave that is of any use to anyone... but just a whipping or a beating will not do the job either

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:43:21 pm CDT
lol, think W/we all agree on Elinor !!!!!

meral{Bretval} 13:43:41 pm CDT

very much so ruby......she still hasn't got the way Gor works

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:43:56 pm CDT
probably so my Jarl...pierced ears common on Earth

meral{Bretval} 13:44:31 pm CDT
very true my Master.....true slavery comes from within

Bretval {meral}: 13:46:22 pm CDT
apparently Elinor did learn that pierced ears do have a totally meaning different on Gor than on Earth... seems she was paying enough attention to learn that at least

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:46:48 pm CDT
just loved when Inge demanded Elinor to address the rest of the slaves in the wagon ...as "mistress"

Bretval {meral}: 13:50:45 pm CDT

She is, of course, the authoress of her own misfortune, though circumstances haven’t been favourable, and she persists in returning evil for good even to Ute, who has been well-disposed to her up to now and ever ready to give her another chance. She is, as we rejoin her, repaying Ute’s kindness as they are put to picking berries. She thieves out of Ute’s bucket when her back is turned, so as to do less work, and also commits the gross offence of eating some of the berries herself, all the while congratulating herself for her cleverness.

meral{Bretval} 13:50:45 pm CDT
Elinor is only a slave through fear at the moment.....it's not her heart

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:53:03 pm CDT
perhaps Elinor will "finally" be bound in the chains of a strong Master, which is well known to induce the sexual stimulus..in even the most reluctant girl

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:53:26 pm CDT
yes, that is so mea. Her whole demeanour is of a brat who has no concern for others. that is her make up which I doubt will change within her. We have all met persons like that.

Bretval {meral}: 13:54:25 pm CDT
Once again Elinor shows that she has no clue what it means to be a slave girl on Gor.. stealing anything from you Owner... even a few berries... *shaking My head in disbelief*

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:54:33 pm CDT
maybe ruby, we will see.

meral{Bretval} 13:55:26 pm CDT
yes Wwe have Jarl, RT and VT

Bretval {meral}: 13:58:04 pm CDT
However, this is interrupted when a massive attack comes in, one hundred tarnsmen under the formidable Haakon of Skjern, and to save his caravan and his life Targo sets the slave-girls to flight. Ute realizes that she and Elinor have not been spotted, and this gives them a chance to escape, but they are thonged together and so will have to flee as a pair or not at all - and the second alternative is not acceptable to Ute. As the other slave girls are hunted down and spectacularly lassoed by flying tarnsmen, Ute and Elinor head for the tall timber.

At this juncture we must leave our intrepid duo for the time being; but whether Ute’s bravery and intelligence will be enough to compensate for Elinor’s fundamental uselessness, and whether Elinor will start to grow up a little instead of measuring her own worth by the amount of petty meanness she is able to get away with, we shall have to wait and see. Wherefore I invite the reader to join me next month for another foray between the covers of “Captive of Gor”.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:58:15 pm CDT

it should be noted the year is 10,121

meral{Bretval} 14:00:16 pm CDT
the skill of the Tarnsmen had mea in awe

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:01:41 pm CDT

I always like it when tarns and Tarnsmen appear. It livens up the story

10,121 explain ruby

meral{Bretval} 14:02:12 pm CDT

imagine that ruby.....being lassoed and hoisted in the air

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:03:14 pm CDT
growls ...if it were not for Ute...Elinor would of perished..and still Elinor bullies and belittles Ute, every chance she got

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:04:38 pm CDT
oh its just the second day of En'Var my Jarl..likes to keep track of the year in relation to Oour role play

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:05:28 pm CDT
kisses My Gorean slut

Bretval {meral}: 14:05:33 pm CDT
bullies always end up paying a price, ruby... eventually

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:05:57 pm CDT

ohhh..yes mea
to be tied on ones back strapped to the Tarns saddle..displayed before a Master...mmmmm...gulps a hard swallow

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:07:22 pm CDT
yes, they do Bretval. Everyone is remarkably patient with Elinor. She should have been fed to the sleen ages ago.

meral{Bretval} 14:08:38 pm CDT

mea wasn't thinking that far ahead ruby.....only being lassoed, hoisted and feeling like a yo yo on a string

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:08:55 pm CDT

chuckles my Jarl
it would of been a very short book - however agrees...boiled in oil would of been more fitting

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:09:31 pm CDT

yes yes..that too mea...frightening and thrilling

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:09:45 pm CDT
true ruby, JN wrote that book just to annoy me.

Bretval {meral}: 14:10:10 pm CDT

personally I find that method of capturing a mite risky... perhaps not for the Tarnsman... but the girl could be damaged... internal damage to the body of the girl...
exciting to read but I would ever use that method to capture a girl

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:10:55 pm CDT
except perhaps for Elinor, Bretval !!!!!

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:11:34 pm CDT

blushes..perhaps Master will allow girl to ease Your annoyed tensions soon...browns twinkle into Blues

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:13:32 pm CDT
looks at ruby without saying a word

Bretval {meral}: 14:13:38 pm CDT
*LOL* Agreed Randolph.... a good method for such a one as Elinor

Re: Gorean Reading Society: 11-April-2017
Post by ruby~{Randolph}~t on Apr 11th, 2017, 5:01pm

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:14:50 pm CDT

agrees Master Bretval..however the thinking may have been slaves were a tarsk a dozen..although Wwe know Elinor was brought to Gor for a specific reason..to poison the Master in a certain House

Bretval {meral}: 14:16:20 pm CDT
moving on..

Chapter Thirteen

It need hardly be said that Elinor has less than no idea of how to look after herself in the wild on Gor; she led a pampered city-bred life on Earth, let alone knowing a thing about the flora and fauna of this strange world. Fortunately Ute has a much better idea on how to manage virtually everything, beginning with undoing the thong that bound them throat to throat. Ute knows how to trap fish and game, build fires, and conceal their presence from the searching tarnsmen, whereas Elinor is barely able to manage even a poor half of the work the two need to do to stay alive; and at that, she resents the fact that she must defer to Ute, who is a fairly lower-class and ill-educated girl. This may be viewed as a commentary on people who grab for power and status when they don’t have the faintest idea what they will do with it when they have won it, and may also be viewed for that reason as a commentary on feminism in Seventies America.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:20:26 pm CDT
maybe Bretval, and perhaps that is why we are all the mess we are now, 40 years later !!!!!

Bretval {meral}: 14:20:33 pm CDT
As Wwe already Elinor is useless.. and a death as an assassin would be a fitting fate for her, ruby

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:22:34 pm CDT
and then the rich spoiled Elinor insists Ute build a fire, knowing the danger of being seen...and Ute relents

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:22:42 pm CDT
Elinor is lucky, which always helps in life

Bretval {meral}: 14:22:51 pm CDT
lets save the RT for another day... NA is entering a dark cave when it comes to politics

meral{Bretval} 14:23:36 pm CDT

with all Utes knowledge of how to survive elinor still is lazy and belittles her

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:23:56 pm CDT
lol, Bretval, ok, let's keep to the topic !!!!!

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:25:17 pm CDT
there is a certain ignorance in Elinor. Ute is 'street wise' having had experiences during her life which Elinor has not.

Bretval {meral}: 14:27:34 pm CDT
Elinor is either too stupid or lazy to think and realized that all her skills and knowledge are nothing on Gor... here she is a baby that keeps sticking her eye with a stick

meral{Bretval} 14:28:19 pm CDT

lol my Master

meral{Bretval} 14:28:53 pm CDT
a very selfish girl only thinking of herself

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:29:20 pm CDT
it was very interesting reading about Utes history...once being the adopted daughter of the Leatherworks Caste, and how she was ultimately enslaved .. on the way to make pilgrimage to the Sadar Mountains

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:31:29 pm CDT
I like ute, very emotionally intelligent. A good slave, except for running away.

Bretval {meral}: 14:31:55 pm CDT

*hard look at ruby*

We learn a little of Ute’s background. Back in Book Three, Tarl Cabot told us how all civilized Goreans must make the pilgrimage to the Sardar once in their lives, and how many such pilgrims fall prey to slavers; and this is what happened to Ute. She has had several masters, one of whom she loved but who got rid of her when she tried to manipulate him, and now that she has been a slave - a fortiori on account of her pierced ears - she can never go home.

Unfortunately their freedom will be brief. They are doing the best they can - which is to say, the best Ute can - but they are up against men who are used to overcoming the best obstacles that fleeing slaves can put in their way, and have had years to learn the craft from very able teachers. Ironically it is Elinor’s fault that the raiders catch up with them. She is too squeamish to eat her food raw regardless of emergency, and the hunting tarnsmen spot the remains of the fires that Ute has built to cook for them, and soon Elinor overhears men hunting for them. What she overhears terrifies her. It is plain that the least the girls will have to worry about is being recaptured; they are in for being summarily raped into the bargain.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:32:01 pm CDT

girl had thought only Free Men made the sacred journey to the Sadar Mountains before age twenty five...

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:32:58 pm CDT
shrinks back to Master Bretvals hard stare

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:34:47 pm CDT
glowers at ruby

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:36:11 pm CDT
Elinor never seems to learn, perhaps she will eventually

meral{Bretval} 14:36:46 pm CDT
mea hopes she will learn Jarl

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:37:03 pm CDT
hangs her head for once again getting ahead..sorry Master Bretval

Bretval {meral}: 14:37:14 pm CDT

Always remember that even peasants are Free Man and Women, ruby.... and they are required to make the trip as well....

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:38:52 pm CDT

yes Master
however girl thought the trip was for Free Men only...girl learned something

Bretval {meral}: 14:41:15 pm CDT
well part of it is also that with each book Wwe learn more about Gor and all the intricacies of the ways of the culture, ruby

Bretval {meral}: 14:42:52 pm CDT

moving on... with an unusual twist..

Bretval {meral}: 14:43:27 pm CDT
Very well, this is Elinor’s own “Room 101”. Winston Smith, in the climactic scene of Nineteen Eighty-Four, could not bear the thought of being stuck face-first into a cage full of rats, and was willing to betray his own girlfriend to such a fate rather than endure it himself. Similarly Elinor is so afraid at the prospect of being put to such use - more terrified, perhaps, than anyone would have been who was not a child of her own times and culture - and besides, hoping desperately that the men she has overheard are after only one girl, she decides that it might as well be Ute. All this perhaps is understandable and, to an extent, forgivable; what is less forgivable is her cold-blooded execution of her plan, and the air of satisfaction with which she views the outcome.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:46:44 pm CDT
Actually, nothing surprised me about Elinor at this stage. She appears to have no moral worth at all. ute is probably more emotionally stronger to cope in such circumstances.

Bretval {meral}: 14:48:21 pm CDT
It has been a long time since I read 'Ninety Eight=Four' and this reference sent a chill down My spine ... giving what is going on RT

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:48:52 pm CDT
mea..didnt you love this quote?

"the collar is a badge of beauty, a tribute to the desirability of a women"

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:49:12 pm CDT
Indeed, Bretval.

meral{Bretval} 14:50:10 pm CDT

Elinors twisted logic was definitely an unusual twist my Master.....she's gets worse instead of better

Bretval {meral}: 14:50:25 pm CDT
Agreed, Randolph... Elinor MIGHT have learned enough to survive alone... but not for long

meral{Bretval} 14:51:09 pm CDT

oh yes ruby, it's a wonderful quote

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:51:28 pm CDT

agrees mea, a nasty bit of work

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:53:23 pm CDT
it was also interesting to learn that there were manuals on management and care for slaves, like any other livestock...that some Masters will bind and whip even an ideal slave, to remind her of her status

dares not to meet my Jarls eyes

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:54:23 pm CDT
smiles to Myself making no comment !!!!!

Bretval {meral}: 14:58:18 pm CDT
I think the problem is, ruby, that in GS Wwe spend a lot of time trying to control and order the slaves about ... and not as much on the responsibility of the Master toward His property...

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:59:40 pm CDT
Agrees Bretval, another subject but "Master classes" come to mind !!!!!

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:00:22 pm CDT

a good topic for EForum Master Bretval..smiling

Bretval {meral}: 15:01:56 pm CDT

I suggested that a couple of years ago, Randolph... and got shot down.... wanted to include all the info on the website

meral{Bretval} 15:03:12 pm CDT
smiles........a good thought ruby

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:03:25 pm CDT
yes, Masters are untrainable !!!!! Good Masters have good slaves.

(looking around the room here !!!)

Re: Gorean Reading Society: 11-April-2017
Post by ruby~{Randolph}~t on Apr 11th, 2017, 5:14pm

Bretval {meral}: 15:04:36 pm CDT
at any rate let's finish the chapter... but keep the other in mind

Of course, once she has betrayed Ute, she is doomed not to last long in her own freedom. She has little idea how to look after herself, and she does not like hard work, which leads her to steal from some “stupid” peasants. This quickly leads to their forming a beating party to flush her out into the open, where she is at once captured by a hunting tarnsman. Her only comfort, when he lands to offer his thanks to the villagers, is that he will not let them beat her for her thievery, paying them some small money in restitution and telling them: “Her first beating is mine to bestow”.

Whereupon they fly off, and in the course of an exciting journey, in which our hero fights off no less than Haakon of Skjern himself, he reveals that he knows all about her, her various attempts to secure better treatment for herself by lying her ears off notwithstanding. He knows very well that she is that poorly-regarded, idle, slatternly, thieving slave Elinor, and she recognizes him as the slaver Soron of Ar. But this, he now reveals, was only a ruse and a subterfuge, for he is really the famous bandit and adventurer, Rask of Treve.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:04:39 pm CDT

bites lips..feeling the black and blue hue forming to not to get ahead

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:07:13 pm CDT
Lucky Rask of Treve, going to give her her first beating. At last

meral{Bretval} 15:07:22 pm CDT
mea did not see that coming.....Soron of Ar is really Rask of Treve

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:08:57 pm CDT
Yes, mea, JN likes twists like this

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:09:31 pm CDT
ruby wanted to slap Elinor into next week, committing the ultimate betrayal...setting Ute up to be captured by Haakon of Skjerns hired slavers

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:10:27 pm CDT
Perhaps Rask's beating will sort her out

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:10:40 pm CDT

nor did ruby mea

mmmm...swoons ..Rask of Treve...Gors infamous Fabio

Bretval {meral}: 15:11:23 pm CDT
*LOL* I know I own an excellent slave

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:11:54 pm CDT
Holds head in hands, listening to My slut.

meral{Bretval} 15:12:53 pm CDT
~blushes deeply to her Masters compliment~

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:13:45 pm CDT
I agree entirely,Bretval, looking at the crimson mea

Bretval {meral}: 15:14:28 pm CDT
Yes... a Master that might just break through Elinor's shell

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:16:40 pm CDT
if any Master can break that spoiled selfish wench Elinor...puts her tarsks on Rask of Treve..nodding to mea

meral{Bretval} 15:18:39 pm CDT
Rask of Treve has His plan for elinor mea thinks

Bretval {meral}: 15:19:08 pm CDT
Wwe must also keep in mind that most of the Free Women in the higher statuses are portrayed much like Elinor.... at least in attitude... They would probably not steal and lie

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:19:09 pm CDT
thinks so too, mea.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:19:33 pm CDT

oh indeed mea
another fine cliff hanger

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:20:42 pm CDT
yes, it is the stealing and lying and devious behaviour that make her unpleasant, not her attitude, which can be corrected.

Bretval {meral}: 15:21:21 pm CDT
~glance at the waterclock~ Time to go mea...

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:22:08 pm CDT
thanks for another interesting GRS, Bretval

kisses the scribe

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:22:25 pm CDT

thank You Master Bretval for leading another GRS session

meral{Bretval} 15:22:42 pm CDT

Thank You my Master for leading....kiss

thank you ruby for scribing.....hug

Bretval {meral}: 15:23:40 pm CDT
My thanks for your input Randolph and of course sincere thanks to ruby for scribing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:24:34 pm CDT
rolls up the sacred scroll...as always a gift to serve my Jarls Home