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« Thread started on: Sep 15th, 2017, 10:54am »

In the Gor books Free Women are treated with courtesy and respect as long as they remain in their place as second class citizens ultimately under the control of Free Men... particularly in Port Kar. As to the veils and thick brocade dresses common to the High Caste Free Women it is most unlikely that peasants or lower class female workers would wear such heavy and hot clothing as was demonstrated in Book 6 Raiders of Gor. But as Wwe have seen, once a Free Woman strays outside of status boundaries and has the audacity to challenge a Free Man then the gloves come off and a kolar is in that Free Woman's future. Which is of course the basis of all the books... behave Yourself and you are relatively safe... or as safe as anyone, whether Male or Female, can be on Gor. Naturally this is Role Play so there is more wriggle room in Gorean Shores and We do not slap a Kolar on the Free without very good reason.

However, that said, there is NO tolerance for any slave being disrespectful to any Free Person be it Male or Female ... given that the slave is acting within the restrictions laid down by the slave's Master.

I have no idea what went on in the Inn that night so these words are just general personal opinions based on My readings and a little common sense applied to the RT/VT worlds.

Which sadly brings us to the actions of CrusaderLH and His despicable attack on an innocent Free Woman. Beyond His violation of the Rules and Protocols of the Piazza Room His attack was contrary to the Books and demonstrated His lack of understanding of the Books... given that He has read them at all. And the method of the attack... Hiding and stalking a Free Woman from behind a tree? In My eyes that is about as dishonourable at it comes for any Free Man.

I have said in the past that We need some formal lessons in the Rules and Protocols of Oour Home for Free Men and I can only point to these incidents to emphasise that lack. Wwe live in a RT/VT world.../ the Books are not geared to dealing with that Fact.
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 15th, 2017, 9:45pm »

Hey Bretval did you ever think that I may have sought permission to continue with My RP in question?

It was not pre-planned! She didn't beg for it! BUT, when the RP was heading in a specific direction I asked her in a whisper if she wanted me to back off. She believed it made sense from a CHARACTER standpoint for us to continue. My CHARACTER attacked her CHARACTER, BUT behind the scenes it was two CONSENTING adults!

Once more SOME of you in GS are utter MORONS!

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

LEARN WHAT ROLEPLAY MEANS!

Key word: PLAY!
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 15th, 2017, 9:53pm »

Oh, and as for the Piazza. It's called a no kill/ no CAPTURE zone...not a no ROLEPLAY zone! Again, keyword: PLAY!!!!

As there was no capture, no rules were broken.

I am FRIENDS with the Free Woman in question.
Our CHARACTERS are not.

MORONS!!!

Learn about what plots, characters, and stories are!

Do I truly know about Gor? No!
Do I know about ROLE PLAY, plots, characters, and stories?
Yes...and clearly better than some of you ignorant MORONS!!!

Again, I'm not calling ALL the "inhabitants" of GS morons, just SOME of you!
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 15th, 2017, 10:07pm »

As long as SOME of you in GS keep attacking me...which is what Bretval in essesnce just did...I will continue to show my courage (read the forums) by defending myself and calling out the BS that can be found in GS.

I keep coming back because there is great potential in GS for fun ROLEPLAY.
All games...or PLAY...has rules. I do my best to follow them.

One more thing Bretval, you said my "attack" (again it was ROLEPLAY) would not happen in the books. Well tell me why? If Gor were real, and IF Port Kar - a PIRATE HAVEN (I did my research online)- were real, then if a Free Woman were out alone at night in the city she would be attacked.

In other words... I was a more "REAL" Gorean than any of you.

Were rules broken? I don't think so.
Was my RP non-Gorean? NO!!! It was VERY Gorean!!! And very PIRATE like!!!

Port Kar is a PIRATE HAVEN!!!
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 16th, 2017, 03:24am »

I had never considered posting anything about the role play between Crus and I because there was no need nor desire to do so.

However, for some reason, it continues to be a thorn in the side of some people and this thread is an example of that.

Bretval, when you choose to make blanket statements regarding how FW should 'be' then please, speak from a perspective that is either a personal belief or from a logical, perceptive part of your mind, otherwise you look quite silly. And unfortunately, throughout your post, you look quite silly.

The books were not written by one of the brightest men our world has ever given birth to nor do they make enough sense as a whole ‘world’ to encapsulate in a role play scenario. In one chapter, of one book, FW are to be seen and not heard. In another chapter, of another book, FW rule the roost and have the MAN actually ASK and LISTEN to her advice on matters of importance.

I could go on and on and on in relation to how the books are filled with contradictions, stupidities, hypocrisies and confusion. Hence, this is why, like all other FICTION books, they shouldn’t be taken literally, merely perceptively and as we all should know, everybody has their own perception of the world.

As for Crus’s behaviour, I do not understand where the hostility is coming from toward him. He is playing a character in a man’s world, as you put it, where men are FREE to do as they please so as a FM doing as he pleased, where is the issue? You are taking his behaviour from role play to be something heinous or not Gorean. Where, in his behaviour, did he stop becoming this FM you all spoken of?

You mentioned offering lessons… which is very amusing, considering most of you CAPITALISE those playing free people yet you do not role play in a bdsm world when in GS. Slaves use the names of Masters and talk in third person, using the words ‘kolar’ and ‘urth’ instead of collar and earth as they are used in the books, as though it’s common practice in the books, yet it is not. Note, I said COMMON practice. So how about educating yourselves on role play and Gor before offering lessons about that of which you know not enough of. Just a suggestion, of course.

A large number of members had a go at me after this role play, calling me despicable names (whore, slut, bitch, idiot, stupid, moron, dumb cunt, as well as Floozy and Phen) with only their ignorant assumptions to go by. Even without assumptions, the fact you believe you have earned a right to call me anything derogatory when you know nothing of me amuses me further.

I even offered the pre-role play explanation and post-role play explanation during forum the weekend after this incident and yet everything I stated fell on deaf ears. aura had the audacity to post part of the rp during forum, of which ALL of the rp was apparently sent to flicka. How ALL of the rp was sent to anyone when the only person who entered the room during the rp itself was Hunter, is beyond me. But aura was just doing her part. Thank you aura, your actions speak a thousand words.

As already mentioned, more than once, I did not know Crus before he began any rp with me, had never seen him, nor met him, or heard of him. Unlike most of that I have seen who have no clue how to role play or the difference between what is IC (In Character, meaning, the time a person is in role play with a character they have created) and what is OOC (Out Of Character, meaning, you speak as YOU, the person behind the computer.. “hi, how are you?”) it is amusing to me that you believe calling Crus or myself out on the role play itself or to confuse us with our characters is common sense to you.

I don’t care to explain it again or any further, for those of you who cannot understand the difference, then that is your responsibility to learn of it.

As for Hunter, this man whom some of you speak of as being honourable and respectful and honest… are we referring to the same man? A man who, during the rp in question, comes into the room disrespectfully and calls me out on my Corks post. He does not interfere, join in or come to the aid of Kah during rp, he simply wants an answer to his question. Yet some of you have the audacity to question Crus’s character (the real man, not his character) in choosing to rp a way that many, MANY men DID and easily could have done in the books? Come on!

When people are in role play, either join in or shut the hell up. It is not respectful when you name-call, interrupt with OOC bullshit, demand attention that is soley for the purpose of having a question answered or even begin talking OOCly between yourselves and laughing at the role play that is going on (yes, I’ve seen all of these occur on a number of occasions).



As for you, Crus, you do NOT need to explain yourself, or me, or the role play, or anything else to anyone else. People remain ignorant because they do not care to educate themselves or open their minds to understand much outside their own world. As for the ‘morons’, well, those are fucking everywhere, hon… online, offline, Mars and Venus. But I’ve told you before, when you go off like you did here, you look like a bloody idiot and a child having a hissy fit.

Is this really the image you want to portray? You’re a witty, sweet, nice guy who likes to role play. Stop letting others rile you up and provoke you to the point where you lose your shit. Come on, you have to be bigger than that. For your own sake, not theirs.



Furthermore, I’ve been threatened with a banning more than once since all of this began, for what reason(s) I do not understand. No rule was broken, no protocol was broken. Actually, when I think about it, I can only assume the disdain for me could be due to the post I made in the Corks regarding men playing women and vice versa. For any of you to find insult in such a statement and believe it not to be true are full of shit. And you know it.

So, please, do not call me names in whispers anymore, do not greet me in forum as though we are on friendly terms after you’ve been an arsehole to me in whispers or when you think I am not going to visit during forum, and do not ‘act’ friendly toward me when you do not like me for whatever your reasons. I am not a woman who walks on egg shells or plays the fiddle or sits on the fence and prefer others to be the same with me. Get out of your ridiculous cliquey mindset and start practicing what you preach.

RESPECT FOR ALL.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 16th, 2017, 03:29am »

Oh, and one more thing.

I want to say to LionHeart... thank you. Regardless of your opinions or beliefs on this 'issue', you were the ONLY one I saw during forum who actually used common sense and used his array of maturity to ponder the situation from an outside point of view.

I appreciate your choices. Thank you.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 16th, 2017, 2:01pm »

CrusaderLH

I am sorry but You missed the point totally so I will try to make it clear it up you.

1) First of all the No Kill/No Capture rule is short but Wwe do not list all the possible ways to violate either a FW or FM for that matter. It means no violence of any kind in that room. In short you chose to ignore the intent of the Rooms rules.

2) You talk about Your Character as a Pirate and as a Pirate your attack on Kahrianna was in no way Heinous. And the method of the attack was still out of character even for a Pirate... I will leave that for You to consider. It was, of course, still a violation of the intent of the No Kill/No Capture rule in the Piazza rooms.

3) But as I read your tag line You were not shown as a Pirate but a musician with a lute... details are irrelevant, really. But if You had used Your music and flashing smile to seduce Kahrianna there would have been no problem at all. Seduction is not forbidden in any room that I am aware of. Instead You chose to use violence in a safe room. Granted I may have read all that wrong... if o ignore this section .

4) Beyond that the role play itself was very well done and most creative and You could be a valuable asset to Gorean Shores.. if and when You chose to respect the intent of the rules and protocols of Oour Home instead of splitting hairs and calling names.

That is the last I have to say on the matter.

Kahrianna

Of course much of what I had to see can be taken as silly on the surface. That is always the danger of making general statement at any time, particularly a general statement that covers 33 books and a whole planet with a number of different cultures. However I was making a general statement about the Free Women of Port Kar... but again every individual Male or Female is unique. And therefore My opinions are My own.

In My opinion a Free Man stalking a Free Woman and hiding behind a tree is Heinous and dishonorable... again My opinion.

But I do agree that that the books are less than great literature.. much less and all Your criticisms have weight.. but that is what Wwe have... the good, the bad or in-between.

As to Oothers interrupting a role play with whatever I totally agree with You... it has happened to Me .. and I did not like it one bit. But understand that that may have been why Hunter did nothing... I do not know of course but I know that He is honourable. You could take that as a given and re-think what was going or not.. *shrug* that is up to You.

As to the reactions of Oothers and their call naming I can only apologise for Myself. I think that reaction was uncalled for and not worthy of Tthem. But I am truly sorry that this whole affair blew up in Your face and I will do what I can on Your behalf.

As for teaching anything... that was mainly meant for the rules and protocols that Oour Home operates under no matter who teaches it. The intent to be avoid problems in the future. In this instance those rules and protocols were violated... and seriously. As I told Crusader the role play was excellent... just the wrong place.

And that is all I have to say on this matter.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 17th, 2017, 6:26pm »

Kahrianna

I asked if you were Phen because you reminded me of her..I didn't mean any harm..Phen was a friend of mine and a FW that I admired from many many many years ago
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