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xx A question of her sisters...
« Thread started on: Aug 5th, 2016, 11:05pm »

torri posts this with hopes that her sisters will answer honestly and with their true feelings and heart (after all, this is the slave board ~smiles~)...this slut posted the following under the "Gorean Quotes" thread on the General Board, then wondered if she was the only one that needs exactly what this quote says...torri finds this to be so true...

"What woman could respect a man who is not strong enough to put her under the whip?"

Guardsman of Gor Book 16 Page 102

Please, might this slut ask...who, among her sisters, believes this statement to be true AND/OR what a slave in Gor/GS seeks if not this?
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"women dream not of equals," she said "but of Masters."

Fighting Slave, pg. 116
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xx Re: A question of her sisters...
« Reply #1 on: Aug 6th, 2016, 5:33pm »

Well...guess this slut is the only one that feels this way...must be the Irish in her...

...this one can say, this is what she has seeked and found here...she finds being "under her Master's whip" is the peace she seeks in the craziness of life...it is a pure pleasure to submit all of her to her Master...

...she even finds His punishment to be a comfort...if He chose to not punish her, then she truly is worth nothing...at least that is this one's singular belief...

This one wishes all her sisters happiness...

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"women dream not of equals," she said "but of Masters."

Fighting Slave, pg. 116
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xx Re: A question of her sisters...
« Reply #2 on: Aug 6th, 2016, 8:24pm »

~tilting my head and thinking about this a bit~

I'm not sure if I agree with that quote. Mostly because of how I live my life rt. I do not ever do anything without permission from my husband.
I have his permission to be online, to be in the collar I am in. I certainly do not want a whip used on me. I prefer men whose will is stronger than mine. Who can with just a look or tone of voice bend me to their will. RT only my husband has ever been able to do so.
VT there have been a small few including my current Owner. I have messed up a couple times in my 7 months in his collar and it only takes him telling me that he's displeased to bring me to tears. Is he strong enough to put me under the whip? Yes, but anyone can rp whipping a slave. A man's true strength is in how he owns a woman. There is a difference between Owning a woman and Mastering a woman.
So no I do not agree with the quote.
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xx Re: A question of her sisters...
« Reply #3 on: Aug 6th, 2016, 9:20pm »

~smiles softly and leaves a hug for hellcat~

HHHmmm...alright, this one took this quote as an analogy...maybe for some it is literal, but torri took it as meaning that a slave wants and respects a Man that can Master and/or Own her...the phrase "under the whip" means that He is able...strong enough...to own a woman...

...this one kind of thinks that is what hellcat is saying...hellcat RESPECTS her husband and her Owner...even when she fucks up, she still is "put under the whip"...even if that whip is the knowledge that she displeased her husband/Owner...isn't a look or tone of voice that bends hellcat to her husband and Owner's will a form of being "under the whip" to Them?

Thank you, hellcat, for responding...this one appreciates hearing your thoughts...

~hugz her again~
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"women dream not of equals," she said "but of Masters."

Fighting Slave, pg. 116
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xx Re: A question of her sisters...
« Reply #4 on: Aug 7th, 2016, 06:18am »

torri

this opened so many thoughts to aura .... as many would know aura came from a bdsm environment .... in her own home we had a quotes we would run. One was "One can not Master another until He has first Mastered Himself"

In a way this comes to mind when aura reads your quote. She would never wish to have a Master, who didn't have control of himself, who wasn't strong enough to place restrictions on her, strong enough to punish her when needed and strong enough to hold her when needed.

When hadn't long been with her Jarl, she did something she shouldn't have. She was punished and it as what some may deem a harsh punishment. Some would have run away. Some may have been angry. For aura at that moment she knew, she knew at last she had found someone who had the strength to show her that he was her true Master, He cared enough for her that he only wanted the best for her and for her to be her very best.

aura treasures her submission, a look from her owner, a word, just knowing she has disappointed him it crushes the girl. Deep within this one is a burning desire to serve him always.

torri thanks for posting this, hopefully aura has made some sense its been a busy day for her *S*

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xx Re: A question of her sisters...
« Reply #5 on: Aug 7th, 2016, 09:35am »

“What woman could respect a man who is not strong enough to put her under the whip?”


~smiles soft to the beauties responses above her own and thanks them for the enjoyable read and sharing~
although this girl no longer is active in GS she feels this quote too, and would like to suggest that there is other connotations that can be considered within it.

first, within the realm of Gorean r/p and those that take the philosophies outlined in John Normans writings seriously - the books teach us that a slave owns nothing, never does a slave have the right to judge anyone, slaves speak in facts not judgement, therefore part of this quote could infer that a slave judges the Free Man in regards to their strength as a Master. A slave does not own the right to determine if a Free is strong enough to put her under the whip, her only duty is to be pleasing and obedient, showing respect towards any Free without judgement of Their attributes.

second, in the sustainability of online relationships, we all seek fulfilment and a sense of completion whether that be Gorean or non Gorean. Most women who enjoy their submission through slavery obtain that by responding to dominance and strength.
In Gor excellent slaves are seldom beaten, yet its known that slaves occasionally desired to feel the lash of a whip, to feel the pain at the hands of her Master and delight in it as a symbol of her slavery.

thirdly, “who is not strong enough to put her under the whip?” does not determine the true existence of a Dominant or Gorean Master. This girl reads that literally and thus only expresses her opinion on such. A Master is a Master because He possesses qualities that are the nature of a good Man, such as kindness and consideration, empathy and sympathy, politeness and respect of others, honesty and many more. It is those qualities which give a person the character, personality and skills to be good at anything He does, whether it be a career, family, or Dominance. My Master guides and leads, teaches and cares for this girl in all aspects of her life and this girl in turn adores, worships and loves her Master.
Any words or actions that disappoint my Master rip this girls heart and soul apart, are lessons never to be forgotten. This one does not crave the whip to learn that or be taught that, its embedded in my submission to Him


will end this with another thought….some girls may enjoy expressing their deepest feelings regarding this quote and thread within the slave talk portion of this cork which is private, however having said that...this one would not have seen it

~thank you torri











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xx Re: A question of her sisters...
« Reply #6 on: Aug 7th, 2016, 11:24am »

~smiles and leaves hugz for her sisters aura and aurora~

Thank you, both, for posting...torri appreciates it...

aura...a girl made perfect sense to this one...she had heard that quote from aura's bdsm days before and, this one will admit, agrees with it...torri would dare to take it one step further to say that, in this o/l and r/p environment, that is especially true, otherwise why would a slave come back when it is so easy to not do so?

...too, aura, this one agrees about the depths of her own disappointment when she has displeased her Master...she can not say how much it physically hurts...truly physically hurts...when she knows she has displeased her Master... ~smiles softly~

aurora...this one has to point out, in regard to your first point...it is yet another of JN's famous contradictions, or so it seems...this one agrees with aurora...although this one still has much to learn in always behaving as such, but torri does strive to do so...

to aurora's third point, this one can not quite find it, but she seems to recall a quote that states something to the effect "a Gorean Man may be harsh, but rarely unfair"...wish this one could find that quote now, but she thinks it goes hand in hand with aurora's point...

Lastly, this one did think of posting it to the slave talk board for her sisters and to avoid ill conceived slights others might think is being made...but then torri thought that perhaps it is good for all of her sisters, new and old, experienced and not so experienced, to read....and she would have missed aurora's thoughts if she had done so... ~winks and smiles~

Thank you, sisters, for offering your thoughts...torri is glad that she is not the only complicated female that dwells here ~giggles a little~ ...truly, though, this one greatly appreciates the time and thought that went into all replies...

~leaving hugz and hopes for much happiness for all her sisters~
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xx Re: A question of her sisters...
« Reply #7 on: Aug 7th, 2016, 12:06pm »

I love reading the thoughts of others. I've missed seeing post like this where slaves of GS both present and past open up and share.
Thank you torri for asking the question and thank you aura and aurora for taking the time to respond to it.

torri when you put it that way, I guess mentally i am under the whip of my husband and my Owner. Good point.
~smiles softly then gropes all the good bits of the lovelies~
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xx Re: A question of her sisters...
« Reply #8 on: Aug 7th, 2016, 5:08pm »

torri

ruby hopes this is the quote...you referred to:

"Perhaps it should only be added that the Gorean Master, though strict, is seldom cruel. The girl knows, if she pleases him, her lot will be an easy one. She will almost never encounter sadism or wanton cruelty, for the psychological environment that tends to breed these diseases is largely absent from Gor. This does not mean that she will not expect to be beaten if she disobeys, or fails to please her Master."

Outlaw of Gor - Book 2 - Page 53
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 7th, 2016, 5:42pm »


....and this

But, as stated, Ellen was almost never beaten, save for an occasional stroke of the switch. The reason for this, of course, was not that her master was weak, but that she had become an excellent slave, and thus there was little, if any, reason to beat her. This is common on Gor. Gratuitous cruelty is far more common on Earth, I fear, than on Gor. The value of the whip, you see, is not so much in its being used, as in the slave's knowledge that it can be used and, under certain circumstances, will be used.
Occasionally, of course, the slave may be tied and whipped that she may the better know herself, that she may be reminded of what she is, that she is a slave.
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xx Re: A question of her sisters...
« Reply #10 on: Aug 7th, 2016, 8:10pm »

hellcat...this one agrees...it is good to hears other slave's thoughts... ~smiles and wiggles at the grab of slave bits~

Oh, ruby...yes, that is exactly the quote this one was referring too...thank you so much, sister, for finding and posting it... ~hugz tightly~

aurora...torri remembers that passage too...again, she thinks both ties into aurora's earlier post...thank you...~hugz her tight~
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"women dream not of equals," she said "but of Masters."

Fighting Slave, pg. 116
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 7th, 2016, 11:49pm »

~picking up her nibbled quill~

torri flicka wanted to not give your post a trite, banal response and so has refrained from commenting while her mind was not in a Gorean place. ~low chuckle~ we all know what has kept flicka preoccupied for the last few days. A girl wanted to give it the deep thought response it deserves, a girl also did not want to be swayed in any way by what her sisters have written and so has not read the other kajira's replies. A girl will read with relish, her sisters replies when she has posted her own.

Of course after reading them flicka may have more to say, as is her wont.

Firstly flicka has taken the words "What woman could respect a man who is not strong enough to put her under the whip?" in a figurative sense not a literal sense.

You only have to look at the little postscript that flicka has on her cork board log on to know what flicka feels about "being under a Master's "whip" ( read Will). Here is the full quote:

“I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated. I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, be all that I am capable of doing, but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding.”

Flicka could not put it more elegantly than Anais Nin.

For flicka the Master needs to have no fear of flicka's striving to be the best there is intellectually, sexually and in any other way He desires. A Master Who wants His slave to be lesser than she can be is a fearful Master and how could flicka respect Him?

~putting down her quill, posting her reply and beginning to read the thoughts of her sisters.~
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"I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness...as a woman I want to be dominated...I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, be all that I am capable of doing, but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding." Anais Nin.
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xx Re: A question of her sisters...
« Reply #12 on: Sep 4th, 2016, 05:20am »

This girl may think but coming to the conclusion based on many philasophical quotes she has read bith from gor and past and has came to believe yes in a way. As this girl means more as it agrees with the law of the jungle strong rule over weak food chain is string a dog respects its owner because its strength in gors terms a tarn will kill a weak rider a form of hiarchy based on its capacity of strength and power.

This girl agrees the strong rule the weak the food chan agrees the laws of nature , as allways this girl goes off over doing it *smiles* but yes libi agrees
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