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xx Euro-Forum notes..05-Feb-2017
« Thread started on: Feb 6th, 2017, 11:31am »

attending:
Jarl Keeper
Jarl Randolph - Moderator
Jarl Thorrn
Master Kazar
Master Bretval
Master Venator
Master Frederick
Master Lionheart

aurora{Blackthorne}
aryie{Thadron}
rykl{Keeper}~t
tamara{Kyoto}
natasha{Zoran}
meral{Bretval}
larissa{Austin}
swtpea{Pax}
sei{Kazar}
karinda{GS}
ruby{Randolph}~t - scribe

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:31:03 pm CST
If there are any topics then please whisper to Me now - W/we will begin Forum in a few ehn

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:34:32 pm CST
OK, just a reminder of the rules: everyone is encouraged to participate, politeness is a must, keep all greetings and chit chat to whispers, keep to the point.

Be kind to My slave, ruby, who is scribing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:35:26 pm CST
poises nib to milled linen rence parchment..listens intently

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:37:33 pm CST
OK, we have a Topic - a moment

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:39:02 pm CST
Topic 1 :
"Insubordination, slaves are quickly taught, is not acceptable, in any way,
to the Gorean Master."

- KAJIRA OF GOR, Pg. 123

What constitutes insubordination from a slave?
Is insubordination showing disrespect in the words spoken by a slave?

Does it include disrespectful comments and words spoken in The Forums?
Does it include disrespectful comments and words spoken in emails?

Does it include a disrespectful attitude taken by a slave?
Does that include insubordinate disrespect displayed in any way in any
medium?

If the answer to any of the these questions is yes, what should be done
to an insubordinate disrespectful slave?

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 13:41:09 pm CST
-slips off my Jarls lap enough to give aurora a tight hug just because girl needed to and she had her Jarl's permission to of course-

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:41:43 pm CST

hmmm..taps fingers to chin.. digesting the topic

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:42:32 pm CST
please keep chit chat to whispers

ayrie{Thadron} 13:42:35 pm CST
~reads the topic and ponders her response

LionHeart of Old 13:43:06 pm CST
My first comment is the questions and the quote to not quite "match"

Insubordination is a refusal to obey where as the questions seem to want to discuss respect which is a different thing

tamara{Kyoto} 13:45:45 pm CST
-listening quietly-

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 13:46:15 pm CST
Listens quietly to the Masters before stringing her thoughts together

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:46:43 pm CST
Agrees with LH. but often 'dumb' insubordination is to show disrespect

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:47:02 pm CST
any Free may admonish a slave, for insubordination, lack of respect or rudeness...in this ones lowly opinion

larissa{Austin} 13:47:35 pm CST

pressing her fingers into her silks, kneading them as she ponders in thought, thinking that its not a slaves place to decide what is or is not acceptable. that would depend on the Master girl thinks.

ayrie{Thadron} 13:48:26 pm CST
With great respect she offers this definition and synonyms
defiance of authority; refusal to obey orders.
synonyms: disobedience, unruliness, indiscipline, bad behavior, misbehavior, misconduct, delinquency, insolence

And without going on and on in her reply she can only point to the slave litany

He is Master, i am slave
He is Owner, i am owned
He commands, i obey
He is to be pleased, i am to please
Why is this?
Because He is Master and i am slave
(Explorers of Gor
And this quote
"And what Master may not understand," she said, "is that we wish to be choiceless. We want our will to mean nothing." Cabot was silent.
"Our bondage is a way of life," she said. "We want to belong, to be owned, to kneel, to submit, to serve, wholly and helplessly. Our servitude, our submission, our categorical surrender, our helplessness, is important to us. We love being what we are. Our brands, our collars, are precious to us. Our bondage is our freedom, our servitude our liberty."
Kur of Gor Book 28 Pages 386 - 387 p.184)

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:49:13 pm CST
A slave showing disrespect I believe would constitute insubordination.

Bretval you are correct, it is up to the Master.

In Forum slaves are permitted a bit more, shall we say freedom, to answer questions.

A what what point does that become disrespect, therefore, insubordination?

LionHeart of Old 13:50:23 pm CST
For example I rolled My eyes to what could have easily been taken as a sign of disrespect by ayrie earlier

she in the greeting order combined Bretval and mea in her greeting following T/them by Me -- putting Me behind a slave

I "rme" as I thought was probably an oversight and would allow the Members to correct or let it pass --- indeed if I had felt she had snubbed Me in the past I might well have reacted differently -- hence "respect" or its lack becomes subjective

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:50:43 pm CST

winks to ayrie

smiling at the slave litany
that says it all...in this ones opinion

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:50:44 pm CST
I like ayrie's way of looking at the issue

ayrie{Thadron} 13:51:04 pm CST
And this one knows, any and all punishment depends fully upon the slave's Master /Owners

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:52:31 pm CST

yes, it is subjective and a matter of degree. A simple mistake would be overlooked, but 'Insubordination' implies deliberate actions

ayrie{Thadron} 13:52:58 pm CST

ayrie apologizes to Master LionHeart
No disrespect was intended in any way.
one thanks Him for bringing the transgression to her attention so she can apologize publicly and correct her behavior in the future.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:53:29 pm CST
Nodding to Randolph,

It is a matter of punishment.

Death for extreme cases, for "Dumb disrespect" it becomes more difficult, less black and white.

aurora{Blackthorne} 13:53:38 pm CST
at that moment when the slave forgets her place as a slave Jarl Keeper, a Gorean slave sometimes forgets that inside her heart and soul is the inherent desire to please, the expectations that include obedience, consistent and proper slave behaviour through exquisite beauty, demeanour, manners …all these desires are needs that should supersede any personal needs or feelings or any injustness that she may have felt or perceived

LionHeart of Old 13:54:12 pm CST
Disrespect also is not just a "slave" issue, but one of Free

If I in a fight with a Free pull out a gun and shoot Him I have disrespected Gor and the home I in at the time. Now that is a hyperbolic example, but so often in bringing bits of earth with is we disrespect the "place" we are in

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 13:56:17 pm CST
Master LionHeart
May this one please extend an apology and a thank you at the same time. When girl read the rme that You did she thought it was because ayrie and ry were "playful" with their ramberry kisses.
ry has said many times if girl does wrong tell her...even if it is the smallest thing it is how she learns....sometimes punishments are "talks" reminds....other times something more may be needed

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:56:23 pm CST
~Nodding to aurora.~

You have the heart of it, the core of the subject in a few short lines I believe.

The slaves desire, to be just that, a slave should over-ride everything.

And that word "manners" says it all

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:57:09 pm CST

chuckles Master Lionheart
thinking a gun would bring the blue death laser from the Priest Kings swiftly

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:57:21 pm CST
ayrie, girl gave a practical example of an error, and quickly rectifying it - hence the situation is quickly defused and forgotten.

"Dumb" insolence or disrespect is deliberate, can not easily be controlled because there is always a grey area about it. But that is the most serious type of insolence/disrespect and insubordination.

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 13:57:22 pm CST
And have you ever seen such an act here, LH?

ayrie{Thadron} 13:57:33 pm CST

~nods hearing aurora,lashes lowering

LionHeart of Old 13:57:48 pm CST
True ruby which is why I said hyperbolic

aurora{Blackthorne} 13:58:14 pm CST
a slave can only truly feel that deepest freedom of being a slave when she finds it in herself...otherwise it's futile...merely role play and she allows herself to become lost

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:58:40 pm CST

~Nodding to rykl~

I can assure you for rykl, the worst punishment is not a whipping, or a cage or even a dung sack.

No

The worst punishment is earning her Jarl's displeasure.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:59:52 pm CST
in other words aurora

princess like demeanor .. agrees fully

tamara{Kyoto} 14:00:21 pm CST

-listening to what is being said-

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:00:29 pm CST
-shakes just hearing those words for there are no truer words spoken-
Everything this girl does or says is done with the fore thought...what would my Jarl think of His girl.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:00:36 pm CST

~Chuckling~
As all deaths must be approved by the Council, I have My doubts if that would ever be approved!
But your point is taken Lion Heart

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:00:36 pm CST

nodding respectfully to Master Lionheart

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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..05-Feb-2017
« Reply #1 on: Feb 6th, 2017, 12:08pm »

larissa{Austin} 14:00:51 pm CST
nods, and agrees with rykl, a punishment for this girl is being ignored and hearing the Master's displeasure in His words. each slave knows what a punishment is for her. the worse feeling when she has done wrong.

LionHeart of Old 14:02:11 pm CST
Of course -- any time Gor adjust itself to "vt/earth realities" it is done. Now indeed that HAS to be done to some degree, but again what is "disrespect" is as I said before inherently a subjective matter. All would agree the gun (though ruby is right on blue flame by books) is over the line. Is considering compatibility between a Master and slave doing so? If property is compatible is not a "gorean" issue if He has coin. Not saying that should not be, BUT the question remains exactly where IS that line

swtpea{PAX} 14:02:13 pm CST
listening to the discussion...shivers at the word death

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:05:02 pm CST
Therein lies the problem, that lines moves depending on the surroundings, the Master and slave and many, many other factors.

However there are some lines that cannot be crossed by a slave.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:06:12 pm CST

It is a line which becomes made instinctively by the members, particularly the Free who are the ones to regulate it on an ongoing basis to their own standards which then becomes a norm

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:07:13 pm CST
listens to Jarl Keeper
and those lines in the sand are??

aurora{Blackthorne} 14:08:02 pm CST
agrees Jarl Keeper
any disobedience displayed openly by a slave at any time, be it forum, the corks should be dealt with quickly otherwise what does that say for the Free that own the animal?

LionHeart of Old 14:09:22 pm CST
My question Randolph, even IN MYSELF at times, is IF the line comes to be more determines on what Rollo would call My "earth morality" or by My Gorean ones --- it is say to say the "earth" way is practically needed as we are used to it -- standing for the Gorean one is not always easy

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:09:34 pm CST
tasting the acrid fear on her tongue .. this one knows her lines in the sand with her Master...girl is kept on a very short tether..and girl is grateful

LionHeart of Old 14:10:13 pm CST
((Wish "s" and "d" were not by each other on the keyboard))

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:10:14 pm CST
Perhaps the lines in the sand are discussed at slave class so the slaves have some uniformity - controlled by the Slave Master in consultation with the Council

ayrie{Thadron} 14:11:22 pm CST
~quietly slips in the quote one forgot to mention

The life of a female slave," he said, "is a life wholly given over to love. It is not a compromised life. It is not one of those lives which is part this, and part that. It is a total way of life, a total life. The female slave seeks to give all, selflessly, knowing that she, as she is a mere slave, a rightless animal owned by her master, one who can be bought and sold at his least whim, can make no claims, that she deserves nothing, and is entitled to not the least attention or consideration. There are no bargains made with her, no arrangements."
Mercenaries of Gor Book 21 Page 435

LionHeart of Old 14:12:25 pm CST
And extending this -- if Free do not respect "Gor" what right do We have to expect sluts to respect the rigor of discipline We wish?

Free have slaves respect indeed by right not choice --- but that ASSUMES We as Free inhabit Gor here more than earth

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:12:29 pm CST
I think the line in the sand is lack of respect.
Some times that is not so obvious, but that is the one thing that cannot be tolerated.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:12:35 pm CST
agrees LH - (on the s &d as well). We have to interpret Gor from our earthly perspectives as best we can.(as sadly we are not from Gor)

Venator-Warrior 14:14:18 pm CST
Looks to ayrie, quite well armed with quotes today, smiles.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:14:23 pm CST
again, agrees with LH, ultimately it is up to the Free to impose and police the policies, manner of behaviour etc.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:15:21 pm CST
your right in girls opinion aurora

if a slave is allowed to slide over and over...the disobedience and or rudeness will only continue

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:15:37 pm CST

Gor is Gor
With respect, this girl knows it is not a fair world especially not for slaves nor is it always just however as a trainer and even a slave having gone through all the lessons.....it is hard for all the newer girls to see such huge gaps in what some slaves can do and others can not, It is very hard to keep a strong home that way.

aurora{Blackthorne} 14:16:09 pm CST
agrees completely Master LionHeart
one just has to read the corks when a Free
was disrespectful when entering to watch a dance
as well as a slave...blatant disrespect
the Free pledge to honor the rules of GS

ayrie{Thadron} 14:16:43 pm CST
Master Venator, her heart could explode with the love she has for her place, the quotes capture them perfectly.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:17:04 pm CST
~Nodding~
It must be confusing for some new slaves that behaviour shown does not match expectations.

Venator-Warrior 14:17:37 pm CST
Nods, a good thing, ayrie.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:17:52 pm CST

couldn't agree more Master Lionheart...nodding

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:17:57 pm CST

~Nodding to both rykl and aurora~

Exactly

karinda {GS} 14:17:57 pm CST
Listens intently

tamara{Kyoto} 14:18:16 pm CST

-listening intently-

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:18:29 pm CST
gives ayrie a smile, liking her response

Venator-Warrior 14:18:38 pm CST
It is a similar plight everywhere we go c/t or r/t: Do as I say, not as I do.

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:19:20 pm CST
my Jarl
This one feels for girls that get sent from forum, surely in tears, and then later down the line witness other slaves allowed to stay and continue knowing they would have surely been sent away had it been them

LionHeart of Old 14:19:33 pm CST
But there is a difference between -- hard to say --

disrespect that "older slaves" show newer Free AND allowances made by a Free towards a slave whose heart He knows in her actions towards Him

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:19:36 pm CST
Agreeing Lion Heart and Randolph and others.
I would add that it is up to the Free Persons to lead by example with their behaviour.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:20:23 pm CST
Hopes ry is not talking about EForum

ayrie{Thadron} 14:21:05 pm CST
~takes a deep breath and just lets go
Respectfully, if a slave loses her slave heart, is it not for the best to set her back into that place as swiftly as possible?
we are beasts but we are here to serve and please.
If one cannot do that, then any and all means necessary should be employed to guide her back.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:21:21 pm CST
indeed Jarl Keeper

slaves too learn by example and if the established slaves of the Home do not display polite behavior...then then new slaves will follow suit

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:21:45 pm CST
Smiles to the Handsome Jarl Randolph

Never not on Your watch Jarl

-blows Him a kiss-

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:22:04 pm CST
~Nodding to rykl~

It must be so confusing to new slaves to Gor, the ones that we want to make the future of Our Home safe, that there is this gap between expectations and the behaviour of some.

One person punished the other not.

aurora{Blackthorne} 14:22:04 pm CST
a quote from the manual . ..grins to ayrie

Respect is a hard issue for some online. We see respect as being earned not just simply given because a person capitalizes their name. She has learned however that she can show respect without having respect. She simply reminds herself what she is, who her Master is, and what he would think of her actions should she fail to show respect. No slave desires to bring shame or dishonor to their Master/Mistress or his/her collar. Stop and think before you type; remember all your actions fall back on your Master/Mistress.

While Freepersons are NOT always right, They are by definition, NEVER Wrong, therefore slaves do not argue with Freepersons. Slaves always have the last two words in any disagreement. "Yes, Master" or "Yes, Mistress.”
girl has always wondered if this is merely something slaves practice in public or r/p and outside GS, is it carried through?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:22:36 pm CST

winks at ry, catching the kiss

Frederick - Master of nyla 14:22:39 pm CST

-steps in quietly-

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:22:55 pm CST

~Grinning~

You run a tight ship Randolph!

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:23:16 pm CST
Sends sweet slave loves to ayrie
Who is always so full of the deepest of slave wisdom
ayrie is the little slave whisperer

You set ry's heart back in the right place....thank you sweetness

ayrie{Thadron} 14:23:43 pm CST
~smiles through tears to aurora
That... Yes, so much yes

ayrie{Thadron} 14:25:58 pm CST

~whispers her gratitude to the kind words


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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..05-Feb-2017
« Reply #2 on: Feb 6th, 2017, 12:42pm »

LionHeart of Old 14:26:12 pm CST
I know this is harsh, but slaves in My home are required to serve (and even fully) even HNGs as long as They (HNGs) make some pretense They are on Gor. There are rules (NPC Guards enforce) but a slave does NOT get to decide Who is worthy or Gorean enough in My Home. Such an allowance eventually MAKES the slaves think they are Free

natasha{Zoran} 14:28:18 pm CST
slips in quietly

LionHeart of Old 14:28:20 pm CST

Indeed aurora a slave must SHOW respect and serve EVEN Free she may not in her heart respect -- she honors not Them, but her Owner in doing so

aurora{Blackthorne} 14:29:26 pm CST
girl does not believe it's harsh
it's how a girl was trained in GS many many moons ago

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:29:47 pm CST
a new girl is learning and the rules are stricter until she learns where the lines are and with which Masters... it is all a part of the learning process

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:30:02 pm CST
I see your point LH and cannot comment on how your 'Home' is from an 'enjoyability' viewpoint. Here in GS the atmosphere is generally light and friendly with slaves overall being pleasing and respectful. It is a question of balance - how to keep it that way without destroying the Gor ethos.

Frederick - Master of nyla 14:30:22 pm CST
-nods to LH and aurora-

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:32:39 pm CST
aye aurora

and its how you trained ruby many many moons ago too...nodding..you were not an easy trainer..but by god ruby learned what was acceptable, and the rules of our Home

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:33:39 pm CST
glances at aurora - she did a good job on My ruby !!!!!

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:33:59 pm CST
Wise words Randolph, a good question.

In part it is through the members and through the Council, but the Council governs and regulates it cannot alter people's minds.

LionHeart of Old 14:34:00 pm CST
It is indeed an issue Randolph, but I wonder sometimes (speaking not here or My home, but in a more general way of vt Gor) if We Free do not undersell many slaves -- that they come looking for GOR and find something less and "settle" as the Masters "settle" for less thinking that the slaves will run if the place was more Gorean --- granted some would, but I wonder if might keep more than think and even have others enter who not don't

~shrugs~

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:34:06 pm CST

Listens to ruby and thinks that sounds exactly the same and girl is so grateful for it...it is exactly how she wished her training experience would be

LionHeart of Old 14:35:27 pm CST
I agree that is fine Bretval as long as a girl does not to get to set those lines with Masters based on her "respect"(or lack of) of Them

aurora{Blackthorne} 14:35:31 pm CST
blushing smile ...thank You Jarl
girl was so fortunate to be trained by the girls
whose names appear on the training pages
she often learnt the hard way

tamara{Kyoto} 14:36:57 pm CST

-listening intently-

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:37:48 pm CST
leans and cuddles aurora

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:38:23 pm CST
It is a fine line we tread LH, granted.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:38:30 pm CST
~Standing with rykl in My arms~

We must away.

Thank you one and all.
Be well to all the Free persons
Serve well to all the slaves

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:39:13 pm CST

Waves as we slip out

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:39:19 pm CST
Winds Keeper and serve hot little ry

Good to see both here

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:39:47 pm CST
Blows kisses to the Handsome Jarl for that

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:40:58 pm CST
Tal Thorrn, good to see you, My friend

greetings sei

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:41:43 pm CST
Both have come in here towards the end of Forum.

Here is the topic and comments are welcomed

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:41:54 pm CST
Topic 1 :
"Insubordination, slaves are quickly taught, is not acceptable, in any way,
to the Gorean Master."

- KAJIRA OF GOR, Pg. 123

What constitutes insubordination from a slave?
Is insubordination showing disrespect in the words spoken by a slave?

Does it include disrespectful comments and words spoken in The Forums?
Does it include disrespectful comments and words spoken in emails?

Does it include a disrespectful attitude taken by a slave?
Does that include insubordinate disrespect displayed in any way in any
medium?

If the answer to any of the these questions is yes, what should be done
to an insubordinate disrespectful slave

aurora{Blackthorne} 14:41:56 pm CST
girl must depart
she brushes a soft kiss to His hand
thank You Jarl Randolph
always a very well run and insightful forum

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:42:34 pm CST
kisses aurora, be well sweet one

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 14:42:51 pm CST
Thank you Randolph for the welcome

slips over to My seat and sits down to listen

aurora{Blackthorne} 14:42:57 pm CST
she brushes her lips softly against the Captain Emeritus'
cheek as she passes by and out the door

sei {Kazar} 14:43:41 pm CST
smiles brightly seeing my Master enter

greetings Jarl Randolph

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:44:32 pm CST
We have had a very deep discussion on this topic if those who have recently joined wish to comment they are welcome to do so

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:45:11 pm CST
Please keep greets to whispers

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 14:46:04 pm CST

Nods tal and thank you to the Man Bretval

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:48:16 pm CST
Are there any other comments on this Topic ??

Venator-Warrior 14:48:41 pm CST
None here

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:48:49 pm CST
Nothing more from Me

Frederick - Master of nyla 14:49:14 pm CST
nothing here

karinda {GS} 14:49:20 pm CST

karinda doesn't....she found the discussion fascinating though

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:49:47 pm CST
nothing from Your beast of burden my Master...kiss..thank You

ayrie{Thadron} 14:50:56 pm CST

none from this one, thank You Jarl Randolph

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:52:15 pm CST
A difficult topic to summarise - A/all seem to acknowledge that respect is paramount here in GS, anything else such as insubordination, disobedience etc. is unacceptable. what is and or isn't seems a little debatable but up to the Free and Council to police and amend as thought fit by them.

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:52:31 pm CST
none here

swtpea{PAX} 14:53:20 pm CST

none from this girl

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:54:19 pm CST
I hereby close EForum for this week.

thank Y/you A/all for attending and for the participation. This topic seems to have sparked many interesting and relevant comments - and quotes

Kisses the scribe for what may have been a challenging session

meral{Bretval} 14:54:33 pm CST

none from this one, thank You Jarl

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:55:00 pm CST

smiling and excellent synopsis...my Master...kisses Your palm..her gems lower with unbridled devotion

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:55:09 pm CST
I thank You for leading, Randolph and to Your gemstone of scarlet for scribing once again

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:55:21 pm CST
thanks for Randolph for leading gemstone for scribing

Venator-Warrior 14:55:22 pm CST
Thank you for leading Randolph and for ruby scribing.

meral{Bretval} 14:55:50 pm CST
Thank You for leading Jarl Randolph

thank you for scribing ruby

swtpea{PAX} 14:56:31 pm CST
thank you for leading Jarl Randolph
thank you for scribing ruby

ayrie{Thadron} 14:57:00 pm CST

Thank You for leading Jarl Randolph, always her pleasure to attend E Forum
~hugs ruby in loving gratitude for all she does

karinda {GS} 14:57:13 pm CST

girls humbly thanks Jarl Randolph for leading a captivating forum

she smiles to ruby...karinda thanks ruby for scribing

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 14:57:16 pm CST

Thank you Randolph for leading this forum so often and making it a place for so many to gather in our home.
Thank you ruby for scribing *S*

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:57:16 pm CST
my Master
thank for leading EForum..a compelling topic...kiss

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:59:46 pm CST

rolls up the scribe swiftly
as always a pleasure to serve my Jarls home in this fashion
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"She had known then that she was his, and in perfection. I had no doubt they fitted together, in the order of nature, in the most intimate, beautiful and fulfilling relationship possible between a man and a woman, that of love master and love slave"
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