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xx EURO-FORUM notes 2/12/2017
« Thread started on: Feb 12th, 2017, 2:42pm »

Jarl Keeper
Jarl Randolph
Master Bretval
Master Venator
Master Austin
Master of one


Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:40:18 pm CST
OK, W/we are ready to begin. The usual rules apply, all are encouraged to contribute, politely, keep all greets and chit to to whispers

pea is scribing so be gentle with her

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 13:40:28 pm CST
She quietly moves to over where her Master is sitting and kneels down to His left

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:40:49 pm CST
I have a topic, one moment

Dak 13:40:50 pm CST
finding a place to sit, come sit with Me girl, *grins and greet !

vayrie{Thadron} 13:40:55 pm CST[/b]
~apologies her rt interrupted, crawls to the place Master Venator indicated
Thank You Master Venator

Venator-Warrior 13:41:28 pm CST
Nods to ayrie, musses her hair

larissa{Austin} 13:41:51 pm CST
wiggles against a hard frame as she awaits the topic..

warm enough Master?

Austin - Scholar- 13:42:29 pm CST
yes thank you larissa... pats her ass

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:42:48 pm CST
Topic 1

Why is it that some slaves can get away with rudeness as such and other slaves are punished severely for it. shouldn't the same rules apply to all....
( this question is because it has been seen happening lately)

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 13:43:52 pm CST
-sits quietly in my Jarls lap and thinks on this topic-

karinda {GS} 13:45:41 pm CST
Frets...hoping she has been kind to all since she has been back...hoping it isn't this slave doing bad behavior

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:46:03 pm CST
Part of the reason is that many slaves are privately owned, and what is disrespect for one Master might be harmless play to another.
AS for GS slaves, report it to Captains, We are their owners, We will deal with it, but We can only do so if We know about it.

Of course, all this is said with last weeks topic in mind, disrespect in any form is not tolerated on Gor.

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 13:46:06 pm CST
She quietly rises and moves into her Masters lap and gets comfortable as she starts to think about the topic

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:46:22 pm CST
I have not seen this myself in GS of late but can only say there should be some standards by which slaves are judged/punished. It probably depends on different Masters having different levels of tolerance.

karinda {GS} 13:46:29 pm CST
That said....sighs a moment...then speaks quietly...girl feels that it does happen.

larissa{Austin} 13:47:05 pm CST
ponders the topic. and thinks that is a Master decision on what he lets his slave get away with or not get away with. not for a slave to decide..

hoping its not this girl who has been rude, or outspoken of late.

Bretval {meral}: 13:47:08 pm CST
Rudeness to Whom? Master's? Other slaves?

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:47:37 pm CST
~Nodding to Randolph~
Great minds think alike!

meral{Bretval} 13:47:41 pm CST
mea wasn't aware there were different rules

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:48:30 pm CST
One gets the feeling that there are some people here who are sic

Austin - Scholar- 13:48:35 pm CST
Nods to Bretval's question.. a great explanation would be helpful

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:49:39 pm CST
One gets the feeling there are some people here who are of the opinion that there are two different rules?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:50:02 pm CST
Is it possible to. have some examples? (without naming nameshuh)

karinda {GS} 13:51:01 pm CST
Keeps fretting...rethinking everything she has said and done since bsck...doesn't feel she has been rude or shown bad behavior

Austin - Scholar- 13:51:08 pm CST
Nods to Randolph's comment... clarification would help a lot

ayrie{Thadron} 13:51:26 pm CST
~leans into the Master's chair, lashes lowered respectfully as she listens.

larissa{Austin} 13:51:31 pm CST
if girl may say, there are some Masters who like the playful side of slaves, and others who want the more serious side. and sometimes there is a fine line between the two sides.

girl would say its more what Master is being served that you adjust too.

Bretval {meral}: 13:52:22 pm CST
Again as I said last week it in part some to a Master's attitude ... one Masters rudeness is another Master fun...

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:53:00 pm CST
~Grinning at Bretval~
A third great mind!

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:53:15 pm CST
Are there any instances of slaves being punished lately? and for what?

Regret I cannot contribute to this as I have not seen any examples

Bretval {meral}: 13:53:42 pm CST
nodding to larissa ... exactly rissa

Bretval {meral}: 13:53:42 pm CST
nodding to larissa ... exactly r4issa

swtpea{PAX} 13:54:16 pm CST
pea has seen a few different things one being there seems to be different stands for different people she has seen one person get sent from forum for a minor detail and then seen another say many things that shouldn't have been said but nothing happened to that person

ayrie{Thadron} 13:54:47 pm CST
might she say, she finds one can be playful and respectful.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:57:55 pm CST
~Nodding to swtpea~
Again we have the fact that it is up to the Master.

Bretval {meral}: 13:57:58 pm CST
karinda walked the line with Me a couple of week ago and was warned../.
was not intent so that is all required that I saw required

Venator-Warrior 13:58:08 pm CST
Also, a Master who overly encourages playfulness could be setting his slave up for a rude awakening if she does not at least attempt to read a Master's mood before going straight to a playful nature.
Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:58:33 pm CST
agrees with ayrie, a girl can be both. To me it is intent - if I feel a girl is being deliberately disrespectful I would punish her. If just a 'slip' while ing playful going wrong, then a simple whispered word would be given.

karinda {GS} 13:59:16 pm CST

Gasps as her name is mentioned...just darts her eyes to the floor

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:59:25 pm CST
lol, Bretval, you typed faster than me with the same sentiments

Austin - Scholar- 13:59:43 pm CST
I can attest to the slave girl who was asked to leave the forum... it was several months ago.. she spoke with inappropriate and unfiltered words.. publicly... and the best thing to do to alleviate the problem that could have interrupted the forum more was to ask the girl to leave and go to the Holdings..

Austin - Scholar- 14:00:22 pm CST
Nods to Venator

larissa{Austin} 14:01:12 pm CST
larissa has also seen a slave play with a Master one way, teasing and having fun with the going ons, but when another slave tried to join in, its frowned upon..

larissa just stays quiet and observes as its not a slaves place to get into a Master's business. but has seen it happened.

ayrie{Thadron} 14:01:24 pm CST
she knows many of her sisters agree, please tell a girl if she offends. Sometimes one honestly did not know she slipped in her behavior.
this one would rather be scolded once than punished later for multiple infractions.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:02:34 pm CST
I have heard comments about 'cutting words' being used which were considered disrespectful, in some cases being published in Role play. Perhaps this is at the root of this topic

larissa{Austin} 14:02:39 pm CST
biting her lip, as she hears her Masters words. as like karinda's, this girl iris fall low to the cobblestone.

she kneads her fingers into the white silks.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:02:55 pm CST
I agree with you Randolph, it does go to intent.
If it is unintentional a warning is all that is normally required, but if it a slave being deliberately rude or disrespectful, well to use a saying I use RT.

"Then the nine levels of Dante's hell will descend upon you."

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 14:03:07 pm CST
agrees with ayire its best to let a girl know if she is ever out of line

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:03:18 pm CST
ayrie, ry agrees completely
she would rather know she is heading in the wrong direction or she has done something wrong rather than let it become a habit

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:04:19 pm CST
lol, Keeper

Bretval {meral}: 14:04:32 pm CST
I agree, ayrie ... whether aloud or a whisper... the girl should know to avoid the situation in the future

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:05:07 pm CST
A lot of people have no idea what it means, but it does sound unpleasant!

ayrie{Thadron} 14:06:57 pm CST
Yes Master Bretval, though, she may regret saying this... It's almost preferred to be reprimanded publicly, as she was last week ~eyes lowering as she inhales
because not only did this girl learn from her mistake, but others could see and hopefully not make the same mistake as her.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:09:19 pm CST
Any other comments on this topic?

karinda {GS} 14:09:46 pm CST
Agrees she would rather be reprimanded publicly.
meral{Bretval} 14:09:50 pm CST
none from mea thank You Jarl

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 14:10:24 pm CST
None from this one Jarl Randolph thank You for asking

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:10:24 pm CST
Nothing more from this girl

ayrie{Thadron} 14:10:47 pm CST
nothing from this one, thank You Jarl Randolph

larissa{Austin} 14:10:54 pm CST
thank you for asking Jarl Randolph, girl has no other comments.

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xx Re: EURO-FORUM notes 2/12/2017
« Reply #1 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 2:46pm »

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:11:20 pm CST
No more from Me Randolph

Bretval {meral}: 14:11:21 pm CST
Nothing more from Me

Austin - Scholar- 14:12:05 pm CST
nothing else Randolph

Venator-Warrior 14:12:20 pm CST
None here

karinda {GS} 14:12:42 pm CST
None here Jarl Randolph

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:12:49 pm CST
As a summary there seems to be a 'feeling' there is a different
treatment for some slaves for rudeness and disrespect. All should be treated equally.

Some slaves prefer to be given a public reprimand she having 'crossed the line'

All seem to consider deliberate rudeness unacceptable.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:13:44 pm CST
We have another topic

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:14:12 pm CST
Topic 2:

Should guests attending forum exhibit more restraint than members?

Bretval {meral}: 14:15:24 pm CST
I certainly think so...

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:16:28 pm CST
I often feel that guests contribute in a special way as they do not have a GS 'culture' and makes one think differently. As long as they are polite I have no issues with them expressing unusual views.

Venator-Warrior 14:16:53 pm CST
Now, now, Bretval, who does not enjoy being told exactly how wrong we are in our own home? Wry smile to Bretval.

ayrie{Thadron} 14:16:56 pm CST
In her mere yet honest opinion, yes Jarl Randolph. Perhaps saying more is... difficult but she feels the answer is still yes .

Bretval {meral}: 14:17:11 pm CST
After all a visitor probably does not know that much about Oour Home and the rules and protocols Wwe live by

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:17:16 pm CST
I think guests should be treated as guest.
That is no differently from Members.
I think it is less that polite for a guest to have the impertinence to try and tell us how to run this site when they have not joined, or to be rude, but other than that, same rules apply.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:18:30 pm CST
~Nodding agree with Randolph.~
You said it better than I Brother

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:19:08 pm CST
I will give you a minute or two to post?

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:19:26 pm CST
Scooping up the dropped PM

Austin - Scholar- 14:19:47 pm CST
I would think that is something that would be common place.. It is politeness that is taught.. but often it is ignored.. I was always taught to listen and comment very little .. listen and learn.

One problem, who is going to talk to the non member that they should restrain their comments a little.. also is that counter productive to forums ideals..
Such a fine line to walk on this one

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:19:49 pm CST
looks at ayrie - don't be hesitant sweet girl. This is Forum and all views are valued

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:20:42 pm CST
~Scooping up rykl and standing~
We must away, RT is biting big time.

I wish all well

Be Well to All Free Persons
Serve well to all the slaves

ayrie{Thadron} 14:20:44 pm CST
she agrees with Jarl Randolph as well, maybe the word she sought was respect. All here have varying opinions, but those opinions can be put forth with respect.
One choosing to visit would hopefully respect the Home They chose to enter.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:21:36 pm CST
I head to the door with rykl in My strong arms

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:21:39 pm CST
Leaves with my Jarl as His rt is pulling
Wishing fare winds to all the Masters
Serve hot all sisters

Austin - Scholar- 14:21:44 pm CST
Be safe Keeper and rykl

larissa{Austin} 14:22:03 pm CST
well wishes Jarl Keeper and rykl
blows a kiss

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:22:04 pm CST
Winds Keeper

serve hot ry

Bretval {meral}: 14:22:17 pm CST
A second view yes... but to criticize and say Their Home is better... that is another breed of cats

Venator-Warrior 14:22:24 pm CST
Winds and well wishes

Dak 14:22:36 pm CST
Winds Captain, serve hot rykl, *s*

Venator-Warrior 14:22:50 pm CST
Nods to Bretval

Austin - Scholar- 14:22:51 pm CST
I agree with Bretval

ayrie{Thadron} 14:23:01 pm CST
Well wishes Jarl Keeper and His ry ~floats hugs

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:23:08 pm CST
Agrees on the respect issue. That is required of everyone here, member and guest.

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 14:24:08 pm CST
well wishes Jarl Keeper and His rykl

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:24:29pm CST
agrees Bretval - hope that wasn't here in EForum - I hope I would have corrected the person to use 'different' rather than 'better'

meral{Bretval} 14:24:32 pm CST
~nods agreeing with her Master~

ayrie{Thadron} 14:24:36 pm CST
~smiles softly, relieved her words came together as she strived to place them

Venator-Warrior 14:24:47 pm CST
Sometimes, the hardest task is sitting silent when guests or others vex us.

Austin - Scholar- 14:25:12 pm CST
When the rants and self effacing starts .. I literally get turned off.. and my participation gets quiet.. and I literally don't pay attention ..

Venator-Warrior 14:25:57 pm CST
Unfortunately, interacting with them feeds their view of things.

Austin - Scholar- 14:26:35 pm CST
Totally agree with Venator..

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 14:27:50 pm CST
Nods agreeing with Master Venator

Venator-Warrior 14:29:09 pm CST
As much as it is counterintuitive in forum, the silent treatment when needed seems to be the best defense.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:29:29 pm CST
Can understand Austin, Venator and Bretval. Some can be annoying. Having said that at times it can be useful for us to be 'shaken up' a little by outsiders to hear contrary opinions. The saying applies: "It is not what is said it is the way it is said."

Bretval {meral}: 14:33:49 pm CST
Sometimes it is better to be quiet to get a feel of the room ...
but also to have time to think deeply... another fine line unfortunately

Venator-Warrior 14:34:15 pm CST
Agreed Randolph. It is harder to reconcile differing ideas when it is the only card available in someone's deck.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:34:57 pm CST
Can interesting example I have received:

Reviewing the Euro Forum of last week I was struck with a question of the greeting order within Forum and the Euro Book (GRS) club. A Visitor took offence because ayrie included My slave of two years in her greeting to Me, Bretval, a Pledged Patron of GS. Personally I would consider ayrie's greeting as an example of great respect for Me and the girl I chose to collar. But if she had done the same in any other room I would not have hesitated to reprimand her. Beyond His actions I perceived as insult to Me personally from the Visitor for bringing it up at all I see it as another demonstration of a visitor's lack of knowledge of how things are done in O/our Home.

ayrie{Thadron} 14:35:30 pm CST
~covers a tiny laugh peering up at Master Venator.

ayrie{Thadron} 14:36:35 pm CST
~swallows the laughter, eyes lifting to Master Bretval and his beauty

Austin - Scholar- 14:37:06 pm CST
Agrees Randolph.. and agrees with Venator..

I think it is the continual drum beat theta most are talking about.. when ever some come into the Forum.. they wait for the opening and then start up the same diatribe..

Contary opinions are good and make us grow.. but once expressed.. I suggest sit and listen for wisdom of others..

larissa{Austin} 14:38:05 pm CST
smiles at the wise words of her Master

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:38:06 pm CST
My own comment on this is that a Visitor should not take offence because he sees something unusual in a Home he is visiting. Asking about it (politely) would be ok. Pointing out to the Visitor that we are comfortable should be sufficient for him to understand we do things differently here.
Master of one 14:40:19 pm CST
Agreed is like the Chinese water torture at times

Venator-Warrior 14:40:45 pm CST
Nods to Austin and Randolph

Bretval {meral}: 14:40:58 pm CST
To be honest I had put LionHeart on Ignore and had to wait until the Scrolls were published to know all of what LH had to say .... for a simple reason. I knew that at some point He would use the words (or a variation of them).... "In My Home....." and I considerer that the height of disrespect for Oour Home. He was in Oour Home and Wwe have our own protocols and ways that have survived fairly well for 20 years. I suppose instead of Ignoring Him I could have introduced Him to Belle and Patsy.

I can only speculate on why LH keeps showing up and talking about the way things are done in His Home.... other than the obvious one... He is trying to draw our members to His Home to save it.

meral{Bretval} 14:43:09 pm CST
~sapphires lift, listening to her Masters wise words~

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:43:18 pm CST
Maybe Bretval, but I suspect from the comments here it has the reverse effect of all O/our members wishing to stay put here.

Venator-Warrior 14:43:54 pm CST
Chuckling heartily, true, so true Randolph.

Bretval {meral}: 14:45:34 pm CST
*grin* And that is exactly what I expected from Oour members, Randolph....
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xx Re: EURO-FORUM notes 2/12/2017
« Reply #2 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 2:47pm »

Austin - Scholar- 14:45:47 pm CST
As one of my back country friends often say.. which applies to Randolph's comment.. " I aint leaving" Chuckles

ayrie{Thadron} 14:46:02 pm CST
~nods with enthusiasm to Jarl Randolph's wise words

larissa{Austin} 14:46:32 pm CST
eyes light up, with a beaming smile at the Masters consensus.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:47:26 pm CST
Any other comments on this topic??

meral{Bretval} 14:48:08 pm CST
none from mea thank You Jarl

Venator-Warrior 14:48:17 pm CST
None here.

larissa{Austin} 14:48:41 pm CST
not from this mere beast, thank you Jarl Randolph

Bretval {meral}: 14:48:42 pm CST
*seriously* but I do think Wwe might considering making the Forum building as a free thought zone... as long as Respect rules

ayrie{Thadron} 14:48:44 pm CST
Nothing more from this one, thank You Jarl Randolph

karinda {GS} 14:49:32 pm CST
None from karinda...thank You Jarl Randolph

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 14:49:54 pm CST
Nothing more from this girl Jarl Randolph

Bretval {meral}: 14:50:06 pm CST
Something to think about until next week

Bretval {meral}: 14:52:38 pm CST
Nothing more at this time, Randolph and I thank You for leading and to swtpea for scribing

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:52:38 pm CST
As a summary

The mood is that all guests are welcome to attend and contribute as they wish as long as they remain polite and respectful.

Visitors who time after time talk about the same topic "ad nauseam" should be discouraged - really by the person leading the Form (marks My card as 'must try harder')

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:53:07 pm CST
and now for a final topic for this week's EForum

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:53:47 pm CST
Topic 3:

Should we try to have a section in Corks that gives us and visitors a chance to know the History of O/our home.. and the traditions of O/our home?

karinda {GS} 14:54:29 pm CST

ayrie{Thadron} 14:54:55 pm CST
Oh yes Jarl Randolph, she does love the idea of that information being so readily available

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 14:55:10 pm CST
This one thinks that would be a great idea

larissa{Austin} 14:55:12 pm CST
Jarl Randolph, girl was just thinking that with the last topic. it would get visitors a chance to ask questions, voice their opinions or concerns and for the patrons of GS to respond.
and for the patrons of GS to respond.

Bretval {meral}: 14:56:19 pm CST
Direct them to the Website... it is all there... including the Forums from day one

Austin - Scholar- 14:56:30 pm CST
I personally think the interaction of Bretval's question and Rollo's comment in corks was excellent.. I lean red a lot about our Hhouse..

I mean it it was fro my continual questions to Masters and slave girl's to understand the History and the traditions of Oour house I would have lost out on a lot of meaningful information.... If it was in the Corks it would be a great place to study..

Master of one 14:56:34 pm CST
Aren't those pages already therehuh

Venator-Warrior 14:56:44 pm CST
Sounds reasonable.

Bretval {meral}: 14:58:23 pm CST
but a section in the Corks might be a good starting point

Austin - Scholar- 14:58:25 pm CST
Not sure MO1.. but if there was s dedicated section in the corks.. easy to find...

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:59:47 pm CST
It is all in the corks but does take some reading/finding. Perhaps if the relevant parts were condensed and put into one place it would be useful to new members.visitors.

meral{Bretval} 14:59:48 pm CST
reading back all the pages for each section on the GS boards gives a good account if the history of Oour Home, mea finds it most interesting to do that

Dak 14:59:50 pm CST
I thought that was what the General section was for ?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:00:33 pm CST
lol, Austin - said with more brevity and to the point

Austin - Scholar- 15:00:49 pm CST
We have great Historians here in GS.... and well hate to say we aren't getting younger... and traditions and history to be kept and persevered for the future.. generation of Pledges, slaves, and visitors.. would be kept in like a time capsule

Bretval {meral}: 15:00:57 pm CST
But it must be understood that ONLY the Council can answer question on the Corks

ayrie{Thadron} 15:01:27 pm CST
~smiles to mea, this one loves reading the corks from years past

Master of one 15:03:03 pm CST
Now you are talking of a reworking of the website... A large undertaking

Dak 15:03:07 pm CST
I thought that was what the GS info pages were for, *s*

Austin - Scholar- 15:03:36 pm CST
I agree or if someone who has a great historical background such as ruby.. she could write to the council to ask for consideration to be put in them and the council could decide whether to or not to..

Dak I hate to say it.. I am lazy at times and don't have a lot of time to scroll and find the History in the General section.. One of my many short comings

Dak 15:03:53 pm CST
*s*, is it sore yet? *s*

Bretval {meral}: 15:04:50 pm CST
*shaking My head* answers of that type...

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 15:06:06 pm CST

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:06:57 pm CST
Let me summarise this:

All of the information is in the corks - but it takes time to read and digest everything. Having it in a separate section could be useful, if the Council thinks appropriate

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:07:39 pm CST
and with that I close EForum for this week

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xx Re: EURO-FORUM notes 2/12/2017
« Reply #3 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 3:58pm »

A couple points in different posts. Copied from "slave rules" on your web-site. If this is out of date perhaps the Captains need to up date it so it fits the preferences of how Masters think their slaves should be exempt and greeted by other slaves in a different order:

You are expected to greet the Council of Captains first, if any are present. Next, you will greet any of the Advisors of Gorean Shores, finally you will greet any Pledged Male Patrons of Shores THEN OTHER MASTERS. If any Pledged Free Women of Shores are present, they are to be greeted BEFORE YOU MAY GREET ANY KAJIRAE. Do not greet fellow slaves until they have been given permission to enter and are in the room.

Emphasis added to the above c/p by making parts all capped sections
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xx Re: EURO-FORUM notes 2/12/2017
« Reply #4 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 4:12pm »

Second, it seems to Me what I said has been taken massively OUT of context here which I guess can happen when one in an open forum chooses not to listen to the discussion as it happens and so not take full part in it


What I said WHILE we were talking about a topic another brought up on respect/disrespect was:

LionHeart of Old 13:50:23 pm CST
For example I rolled My eyes to what could have easily been taken as a sign of disrespect by ayrie earlier

she in the greeting order combined Bretval and mea in her greeting following T/them by Me -- putting Me behind a slave

I "rme" as I thought was probably an oversight and would allow the Members to correct or let it pass --- indeed if I had felt she had snubbed Me in the past I might well have reacted differently -- hence "respect" or its lack becomes subjective

IF the topic had not led here and been "looking" for example I had not planned on mentioning it. The point of the comment WAS that I had not been offended and saw as a minor error and LEFT correction to members of the home IF they saw the need to enforce their own rules (previous post by Me here). I do not know how My planning on leaving it to the members to do is seen as "disrespect" of the home. The post in fact says I DID NOT take it as a big deal, but mentioned how IT COULD be so taken.

I guess the actual words said matter little in the face of one's personal opinions ~shrugs~

My understanding also has been that Forums (as have been when similar things have been held in other sites on Gor) are meant to be open discussions about "things Gorean" --- if that is not the case then I would appreciate a note from the Sr. Captain asking Me not to attend and I will not. It would seem that IF a place to talk about "in house" stuff with non-members not present is needed then perhaps that needs to be provided as a separate SO STATED forum or in fact such talks given the structure here is really more a matter for the Council of Captains in THEIR meetings rather than individual members trying to speak FOR the whole of the place.
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xx Re: EURO-FORUM notes 2/12/2017
« Reply #5 on: Feb 18th, 2017, 11:45am »

Having gone back and read the Forum involved I would point out again My actual words instead someone's "thoughts" about what I said:

LionHeart of Old 14:09:22 pm CST
My question Randolph, even IN MYSELF at times, is IF the line comes to be more determines on what Rollo would call My "earth morality" or by My Gorean ones --- it is say to say the "earth" way is practically needed as we are used to it -- standing for the Gorean one is not always easy

(editing note: the first 'say' in "say to say" should have been easy)

When I question it even IN MYSELF how is that judging THIS home in any way, shape, or form? It seems the discussion of vt Gor VS book Gor is not (except for the weak or paranoid) an attack on any home -- but how all homes struggle with that issue ~shrugs~

In another post I also remark that the post is not towards this home or My own, but vt Gor in general. Again it seems any discussion of anything Gorean seems to threaten some minds.

And again if the Forums are meant to be "internal self reinforcement clubs" I will gladly absent Myself from them -- if they are meant as open discussions of Gor and how W/we can best live up to its ideals I enjoy them.

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