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xx FORUM NOTES 2/12/2017
« Thread started on: Feb 12th, 2017, 9:30pm »

Captain Sandman
Captain Thadron
Captain Zoran
Master Rollo
Jarl Thorrn
Master Kazar
Master Bretval
Master Venator
Master Frederick
Master Austin
Masterof one
Master PAX
Master Dak


OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:45:07 pm CST
ok folks lets get started

You all know the rules

Keep chatter in pm's
Pm me with topics

And Respect always for everyone

ayrie{Thadron} 19:45:14 pm CST
~smiles as He enters

Thadron - Captain of GS 19:45:23 pm CST
~enters and takes my seat on the dais, assuming Forum has not been called to order~
Tal Free
greetings lovelies..

it is good to be in my home..

~takes my seat upon the dais, motioning my beast to my feet~

[b]tamara{Kyoto} 19:46:41 pm CST

greetings Master Thadron

ayrie{Thadron} 19:46:53 pm CST
~wriggles onto His boots
Greetings Master, she was waiting beside His chair like a good beast

karinda {GS} 19:47:41 pm CST
Eyes and ears are at full attention

Rollo the Ax 19:48:22 pm CST
Brother Sandman ..... if not too late to ask before the first topic is posted ...... Is it Captain Keeper that is organizing the * masters * dancing thing ?? and what date will it be ??

Thadron - Captain of GS 19:48:44 pm CST
~shushes my beast at me feet as forum is open, gently stroking her quiet~

Rollo the Ax 19:49:19 pm CST
Okay ...sorry, I missed the whisper button ...... LOL ...

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:50:00 pm CST
Brother Rollo

Keeper is having difficulty with his log in right now

We shall have to put that on hold

ayrie{Thadron} 19:50:24 pm CST
~eyes lift respectfully to Master Sandman as she sinks into her place at Master's feet

Rollo the Ax 19:52:29 pm CST
Okay .... as for the log in ?? It may require Gary M to fix, as Makayla had the same problem for several days ... yet I could log in ?? one of Gary's many servers had some * glitch * or such ..... several Aussies had problems

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:53:15 pm CST
roger that Rollo

I sent an email to Gary myself a couple of days ago

Thadron - Captain of GS 19:53:40 pm CST
Rollo, that makes some sense... I was wondering why some had problems and not all

vKazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 19:53:43 pm CST[/b]
Rollo. I couldn't log in last week for over a day

Bretval {meral}: 19:54:32 pm CST
My mea has been having a problem as well

Rollo the Ax 19:56:20 pm CST
Okay, brother ..... I will try to email Keeper myself, also ..... please let him know that if and when it takes place, to lets say * Induce or Persuade * any other Masters to take part, that Rollo will volunteer to do the FIRST dance .........

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:57:12 pm CST
laughing Brother Rollo if you will dance I will dance even tho I am well known for having 2 left feet

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 19:57:55 pm CST
What kind of dance can one do

Rollo the Ax 19:57:57 pm CST
The log in thing was freaky .... same house, same provider, yet I had no problem, and she could not get into GS or Poolside .huh?

ayrie{Thadron} 19:58:51 pm CST
~laughs merrily ... thinking of the Master's dancing
one prays she can attend ~peering up at her Master

Thadron - Captain of GS 19:59:04 pm CST
~chuckling~ you won't need to shame me into dancing Brother Sandman, I will put my name upon the corks as well when the list is posted

karinda {GS} 19:59:17 pm CST
Tries to contain her joy as the Free. Talk about dancing

larissa{Austin} 19:59:21 pm CST
whispers in Masters ear.... will you dance to Master? then nuzzles his neck.

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 20:00:20 pm CST
karinda grins you know me

Rollo the Ax 20:00:32 pm CST
Well, Sandman ..... I have admitted that * dance * may not be al that accurate .. more like the dancing bear it the circus ... but many asked for me to do so ..... so how could I refuse ?? just remember ... be careful what you wish for ..... LOL....LOL..

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:00:35 pm CST
I forget are Tharlarion allowed in the Tavern? I may need a prop or two

~bounces upon His toes

Austin - Scholar- 20:00:58 pm CST
shhh my slut.. we are in official forum structure.. shhhh letting her know the answer without really saying.. chuckles

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:01:52 pm CST
well folks how about a week from Friday

that's just under 2 weeks

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:03:30 pm CST
I think that works for me, is that the 24th?

larissa{Austin} 20:03:37 pm CST
quietly goes back to listening, smiling as she sways while her Master chuckles, boucing softly against his chest.

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:03:52 pm CST
I believe that is correct Thadron

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 20:04:06 pm CST
Will try and make have dinner at 6.30

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:04:27 pm CST
25th for oz, I think....

ayrie{Thadron} 20:06:23 pm CST
~crosses fingers hoping she can attend

Rollo the Ax 20:06:50 pm CST
Sounds about right .... what time ?? same as Forum ?? or maybe a bit earlier ??

lani{Kyoto}- 20:06:56 pm CST
~ Listens to the conversation quietly~

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:08:40 pm CST
lets try to start at 7:30 site time
if we cant all get our dances in, we can dance again the following night at the same time

Rollo the Ax 20:08:41 pm CST
Also, will it be possible to have a scribe ?? so that nobody need miss all the fun ??

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:09:29 pm CST
Growls Brother Thadron can you take over,, RTI here

(77 year old mom on phone)

swtpea{PAX} 20:09:46 pm CST
pea will scribe if no one else wants to

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 20:10:19 pm CST
Sat works fir me

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:10:27 pm CST
Rollo, yes, I am sure all of the slaves will attend, and it won't be hard to enlist one to scribe...

everybody, whisper any topics to me...

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:11:08 pm CST
thank you pea, remind us before the dance that you so graciously volunteered

ayrie{Thadron} 20:11:23 pm CST
~floats a warm hug to Master Sandman, her attention lifting to her Master

swtpea{PAX} 20:11:38 pm CST
yes Master Thadron girl will

ayrie{Thadron} 20:13:12 pm CST
~smiles to the entry

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:13:57 pm CST
still no topics, don't make me pull something out of my hat... ~chuckles~

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 20:14:22 pm CST
slips in, nodes to all sides and sits quietly down in My chair

Zoran ~Captain~ Merchant 20:15:45 pm CST
Walk in as not to disturb

ayrie{Thadron} 20:16:51 pm CST
Master, would it be acceptable to discuss the topics from Euro Forum?
Some were not here and might have a different view point

lani{Kyoto}- 20:17:02 pm CST
Smiles as she curls up in furs listening quietly to forum.

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:17:06 pm CST
I do have a topic now, but before we start, last week I suggested that we put Tuesday evening book club on hold because no one was attending except Bretval... then I found out the room was filled on Tuesday... everyone that would attend when they could if we coaxed Bretval to lead on Tuesday night, please respond

Zoran ~Captain~ Merchant 20:18:04 pm CST
Motion my slut to me

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:18:18 pm CST
ayrie, you can whisper me any topic and then I decide if we discuss them or not... ~chuckles~

natasha{Zoran} 20:18:38 pm CST
a smile on her face, she quickly raises and moves to him on soft feet

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:19:01 pm CST
I will attend when I can...

Zoran ~Captain~ Merchant 20:19:12 pm CST
Kissing her lips deeply as I pull her I to my lap

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 20:19:38 pm CST
Thadron will do also Lita will be back soon

natasha{Zoran} 20:19:48 pm CST
nestles in his lap, lips melting under his

ayrie{Thadron} 20:20:43 pm CST
Yes Master ~thinks hard before whispering Him

Bretval {meral}: 20:22:45 pm CST
I am always willing to do as asked in regards to Book Club, Thadron

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:22:46 pm CST
you may keep responding, but here is the first topic for discussion: How closely can, or should we try to stay to the books ?? Especially when things changed from one book to another ... and on-line can't really keep EXACTLY like the books huh
This is always a favorite topic of mine and I do like how our home treats this subject

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:23:49 pm CST
Thank you Bretval... let's see if we get any more responses

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 20:25:37 pm CST
Thadron hard to follow the books it's how we interpolate It
Try to keep it close to God books where applicable

Bretval {meral}: 20:26:27 pm CST
I always feel that since Gorean Shores is in Port Kar... the primary book to follow as closely as possible is Book 6

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:27:00 pm CST
As far as interpreting the books differently, Kazar, those topics are always up for discussion here in forum... I have seen alot of it and I think it works well

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:28:09 pm CST
Do we teach enough about Port Kar? Bretval, I know you have an answer to this one, because you have led discussions on book 6 but how about the rest of you?

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 20:28:10 pm CST
Thadron aye. It works

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 20:28:25 pm CST
I always hold the books high as the Gorean Framwork and the guideline of understanding what the roleplay in GS - but i didnīt feel totally bound by them, for Me there must be room for fantasy and imagination.

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xx Re: FORUM NOTES 3/12/2017
« Reply #1 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 9:31pm »

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:29:44 pm CST
Agreed Thorrn... there is alot not written in the books that could be role played ... as long as the role play is feasible, I have always that it healthy and welcome

Bretval {meral}: 20:29:53 pm CST

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:30:20 pm CST
if you posted anything we need to see, please repost.. damn you House Daemon

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 20:31:05 pm CST
Teaching the book, like in bookclub, and talking and discussing them in forums etc is very necessary to bring the knowledge about the Gorean world to all regulars - and to come to an understanding, a principle consent, in topics of doubts and different interpretation of the books.

Zoran ~Captain~ Merchant 20:32:16 pm CST
The books of GOR are the guideline and need to be known

ayrie{Thadron} 20:32:59 pm CST
one thinks of the Books as the framework and it is up to Each of Us to paint in the rest

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 20:33:39 pm CST
Damn, i always hapyp when i posted My thoughts and answer ONCE, now the daemon sync error will make me to do it even twice ... growls at the urts.

I remmeber the slaves kept a pet to keep those urts in there offside - where is this pet nowhuh? *grins at the slaves*

Rollo the Ax 20:33:45 pm CST
Each person can read the same words, yet take away so many different interpretations ... we need to accept the books as GUIDES ... but not BIBLES ......

lani{Kyoto}- 20:33:50 pm CST
With regards to the topic Master Thadron. lani has a few observations she would like to share. These are mostly extensions of what she follows for real and would extend to online too.

The following of the books as closely as possible has a few driving forces she believes, Master.
1) They are what show the different nuances and traits of what allows us to identify as Gorean in nature and spirit. If we did not try to follow them as best we can , we would not really be different than other DS lifestyles.
2 ) For lani also , being Gorean is her identity. And the practices and morals and values and typical actions for a kajira are best laid out in the books. They give us certainty of what is expected of us. Our duties for example, exquisite beauty and absolute obedience, that could fall into any number of actions, it is not specific. So essentially what she feels for herself at least is that the essence of the books and the practices which can realistically be sustained and used in the real world should be as closely guarded and upheld as possible. As it is a quintessential part of our what makes our identities clear.
This is just how she feels, respectfully, Master.

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:34:29 pm CST
Do any of you have examples of things we do here, that you consider not of the books and they bother you, but you have never brought it up?...

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:39:08 pm CST
Framework and guide are words I think we all can agree on...

lani, your response was well written... I think we goreans differ as to what we believe from the books that can realistically be sustained... and I believe when we find these examples I would hope that everyone would feel free to discuss them in forum.... if they trouble you in any way

[b]Thorrn, Captain emeritus 20:39:39 pm CST

Great summary Rollo.
It is the guide but not the bible.
A statement which is helpful in many aspects of rt life too.

Nods to lani, the gorean lifestyle is the basic of this place and makes it different from other sites. That is why it is permanently necessary to deal with that aspect and discuss it to keep up the consensus while allowing deviations.

Zoran ~Captain~ Merchant 20:40:06 pm CST
Well said lani

Rollo the Ax 20:41:00 pm CST
One major way we differ from the books is how the patrons and men of GS are or act ..... the PK of the books has the captains and men of PK being pirates, thief's, lawless buggers ...... Port Kar, the den of iniquity of Gor .... the men here are honest and honorable ......

karinda {GS} 20:41:12 pm CST
Listens intently

lani{Kyoto}- 20:42:31 pm CST[/b]
Yes Master Thadron. In general the novels allowed for regional variations. One of the most common things lani finds is a quote around when a Master is in his homestone, he is an Ubar of sorts, and can adapt the practices to fit his own pleasure. So for us being in Port Kar this would be the council, who would govern the practices of GS from the books to decide what bests fits the home, Master.

karinda {GS} 20:42:37 pm CST
Hears Master Rollo's words and smiles...very glad the Free here are honest and honable

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 20:42:38 pm CST
Rollo grins Pirate us alwYs honorable

lani{Kyoto}- 20:42:52 pm CST
Aye Jarl Thorrn. Smiles softly hearing his reply.

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:43:15 pm CST
It is only a mask I wear, Rollo ~laughs~

but you make a great point, Port Kar was not a safe place for anyone

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:46:36 pm CST
Bretval brought up a good point about Port Kar and the timing of where we are in history in a post on the corks... you should all read it, Rollo brought some great insight into the forming of gorean shores. And the fact that we don't have a home stone...

Bretval {meral}: 20:47:01 pm CST
I think that can be addressed the Council allowing a Home Stone, Rollo
I finde it a unifying... pirates, thieves etc they may be but the unification in Honour... as I said before that is up totheCouncil

ayrie{Thadron} 20:47:13 pm CST
~settles back at Master's boots

Rollo the Ax 20:47:19 pm CST
One point about PK is that most of the * bad * stuff happened before the overthrow of all the Ubars and the Council of Captains took control .. so in essence there is an OLD PK and a NEW PK ..... it is just that not much is/was said about the new PK in the books ..

Bretval {meral}: 20:51:04 pm CST
In truth the Masters here act as is they do have a Home Stone

Zoran ~Captain~ Merchant 20:52:10 pm CST
Why do you think that Bretval?

Rollo the Ax 20:52:26 pm CST
To play * Devil's Advocate * a bit ...... Yes, there is no real reason that GS could not have a home stone now, if the Council decided so ...... BUT !!! It also could lessen our standing or reputation due to the fact that PK is the ONLY major city WITHOUT a Home stone !!! so the question becomes ** do we need one just because everybody else has one ??... or do we continue to NOT have one so that we remain the ONLY example of FREEDOM !!!

Frederick - Master of nyla 20:52:58 pm CST
ok all
I need to go find a healer

Winds Free and serve well sluts

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 20:54:25 pm CST
I think it is one of the charming, confusing things of Port Kar in here. That the founders, the first Captains are whoever put it into the time before founding of the homestome.
Hard to explain why, hard to udnerstand and is always good for a discussion.

Thadron - Captain of GS 20:54:43 pm CST
True, Bretval ...

Rollo, do you have any recollection of any reason why we couldn't change the timeline here and recoginize a home stone is here? I could bring this up to the Council. But I would want to hear any negative repercussions, for now I can't think of any..

[b]lani{Kyoto}- 20:54:59 pm CST

There is one point lani wondered about Master Thadron with regards to the GS Slave Manual. Not all personally owned slaves in GS go through the training. It is usually at the discretion of if their owners wish it.

Also for a personal slave their Masters pleasure and bidding is their highest power. That being said many Masters train their property different and have different opinions on how they like stuff to be done. Should there be an allowance for this in GS? .. or should all girls be following what is the manual, inclusive of personal.

An example of a variation.
The slave manual of GS allows for GS girls to enter the Tavern and post a general post about offering service?

For lani her Master does not permit this, she is expected to approach a Free persons furs, kneel and beg to serve. This would be a variation between what her Master wishes, and what is within the manual?

Also the manual doesn;t mention much about what is expected of the different kinds of slaves in GS. Do realise that updating of pages takes time, wonder if this is something which could be raised. So that the existing resources are encompassing of what is a reality in GS now. It could be when the manual was written that alot of different kinds of slaves didnt exist in GS.

Rollo the Ax 20:55:56 pm CST
To my way of thinking ...... We of GS pledge to the COUNCIL, not some piece of rock ..... on Gor, another city or site can steal your home stone, and so show others a weakness of the city ..... in GS, the COUNCIL is our home stone, and as such it can NEVER be stolen or destroyed !!!!!!

Bretval {meral}: 20:56:03 pm CST
Because they have Honour and Integrity .... We have the Council of Captains and not an Ubar.... I just feel that that should be reflected in the Web site

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 20:56:16 pm CST
Bretval, every Master can have a homestone in his hut. That is no problem with this Port Kar having no homestone.

[b]Thadron - Captain of GS 20:57:09 pm CST

Rollo, your description of why the founders of our home chose Port Kar because it had a Council and was not ruled by Ubars.. where everyone was equal... was inspiring to me...

Bretval {meral}: 20:59:24 pm CST
Rollo... We are the only city that has a Council of Captains... all the others have a Ubar or the equivalent

Zoran ~Captain~ Merchant 21:00:12 pm CST
We are also the only site that is still alive

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xx Re: FORUM NOTES 3/12/2017
« Reply #2 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 9:32pm »

Rollo the Ax 21:02:35 pm CST
Thadron .... I have said time and again that if it is decided by the Council there is no reason why GS could not have a home stone ...... BUT !!! I have also said that to do so seems no big deal .. as I said in one posting .. ** If it ain't broken, why fix it huh? ** the Council stands..... controls GS ..... how could any piece of rock make it better huh? even in the book, the * home stone * is nothing more than just a rock a slave boy picks up ..... do we REALLY need that rock to make GS better or hold it together huhhuh

Bretval {meral}: 21:02:47 pm CST
Granted Thorrn,,, bat at the time laid out in
Website there were still Ubars in control of parts of Port Kar... 5 of them....

Zoran ~Captain~ Merchant 21:03:18 pm CST
Agrees with Rollo

Thadron - Captain of GS 21:04:09 pm CST
I like this discussion on the homestone. As for how it relates to our favorite time of year when we celebrate the procession to the sea when it really hasn't happened yet... I don't want to give up the procession, but also I am not sure adopting a homestone gives justice to the legacy of our home having used it as a calling card all these years... I am sure I can get some discussion going within the Council

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 21:06:47 pm CST
Agreed Bretval - that is what i named as carming contradiction.

GS has a Council and no Ubar which i like. We pledged to the Council and not a rock, i liked that too.
So like Rollo wrote, it works (for me it does very well) so why fix it.

Bretval {meral}: 21:07:26 pm CST
With respect Captain Thadron I believe the Procession to the Sea correctly takes in place in March after the winter storms

Thadron - Captain of GS 21:08:23 pm CST
back to lani's post....

a Master's instruction to his individual slave is honored here... if it becomes a problem with what is taught by the Council through the first girl in the gs chain, then that issue will be discussed.. how you present yourself to Masters in the tavern doesn't appear to be disrespectful or disruptive in any way... please let me know if you hear that it does

Thadron - Captain of GS 21:10:16 pm CST
you are correct as to the time of year, I was just questioning the years, Bretval... maybe I'm off base on this recollection, we can discuss that offline

Rollo the Ax 21:11:42 pm CST
YES ...... GS has survived while most have failed ... the COUNCIL is the reason for that ... NO Ubar ..... NO single power hungry man ... so what need of some piece of rock to bind us any tighter huh? We come, or go as WE see fit ... we are not * subjects * of some all powerful being who can make us do things we may not wish to do ...... when we started GS, that was the ONE SINGLE factor that made me take part .... I have been in the position of being forced to do or act in ways I would not do of my own volition ....... the memories still haunt me .... I sold my soul once ....... NEVER AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 21:11:51 pm CST
Thinks about Bretvalīs posting about the Procession to the Sea in March and what in My postings contradicted this.

Bretval {meral}: 21:11:53 pm CST
*grin* because as a Schotastic inconsistency of this kind gnaws at Me../.
but it is not the rock that matters truly it is the Ideal that the stone represents

lani{Kyoto}- 21:12:03 pm CST
Yes Master Thadron. Thank you.

tamara{Kyoto} 21:13:48 pm CST
-she silently wished everyone well before she eased out-

Rollo the Ax 21:15:04 pm CST
Once again, Bretval .... what matters if or when the * books * say whatever huh If the Council wants the possession whenever so be it ....... If they want Christmas in July, or Ground hog day in December, so be it .....

Thadron - Captain of GS 21:15:24 pm CST
lani, the second topic is a good discussion for slave class I think... does your Master allow you to go to slave class?

It's something a Slave Master would want to address. I do not believe we have a Slave Master at present

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 21:17:18 pm CST
Bretval - in the other gorean cities of the books is a homestone and an Ubar (in one an Ubaress).
Port Kar has a Council, no Ubar and so there is no need for a homestone to symboliize the home. The Council does because the Council goes and still exists, even when all members of the may have Council changed.
The symol lives on. An Ubarte is too directly connected with a specil person being the Ubar. A Council is more symbolism and so not much need for a stone as symbol, as i think.

Thadron - Captain of GS 21:17:23 pm CST
Is there any more discussion on this topic?

ayrie{Thadron} 21:18:09 pm CST
Nothing from Yours, thank You Master

natasha{Zoran} 21:18:27 pm CST
nothing from this one, Master Thadron

lani{Kyoto}- 21:18:45 pm CST
The time is usually when she sleeps Master Thadron. So can't usally attend it. Being at forum is a rariety Master. Will discuss it with her own Master anyway. Thank you.

karinda {GS} 21:19:02 pm CST
It's very.interesting...that's for sure...girl has nothing more to add to the topic.

Thadron - Captain of GS 21:19:08 pm CST
Correct Rollo, this Council will not change anything here on a whim. It will take time *chuckles because it does take time* and a lot of thought. We do not want to fix anything that is not broken...

Bretval {meral}: 21:19:35 pm CST
*shrug * not My place to decide any of it in the end... I just find the Website as confusing and limiting... if the Council likes it as it stands that is there decision

Thorrn, Captain emeritus 21:21:19 pm CST
lani, there are different way for slave to become educated, to get teached but ther is only One who decides whichw ay the slave has to go - her Owner.
The consent about gorean ways doesnīt mean that all things have to be unique - the Men are usually Masters and MAsters donīt like to be ordered. Gor is like life, a permamnet looking for ways of consent and compromise, before exploding and running havoc.

Thadron - Captain of GS 21:21:57 pm CST
As for Tuesday night Book Club, we will continue to leave that as TBD for now...

Thanks for offering your services so graciously, Bretval

lani{Kyoto}- 21:23:04 pm CST
Smiles, indeed very true Jarl Thorrn. lani has been Gorean a long time and still learns new things regularly. Besides lani would be terrified of displeasing her Master in any way. Master has very high standards, a she expects you know, Jarl.

Thadron - Captain of GS 21:23:30 pm CST
I honestly have to say, I do not know if anyone was scribing ~peeks at each slave~

but I call this forum closed

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