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xx Euro-Forum notes..19-Feb-2017
« Thread started on: Feb 19th, 2017, 3:59pm »

Jarl Keeper
Jarl Randolph - Moderator
Master Dak
Master Bretval
Master Frederick
Master of one

pink fluff
ruby{Randolph}~t - scribe

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:37:06 pm CST
If anyone has a topic for EForum then please whisper it to Me now.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:48:22 pm CST
OK we have a topic

the usual rules apply, just to remind on keeping greets and chit chat to whisper

and be kind to the scribe - My ruby is about to go to work - kisses her

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:48:41 pm CST
poises nib to rence parchment...listens intently

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:48:57 pm CST
Topic 1

What are the changes you have noticed in Gorean Shores since you joined?
The good and the not so good.

meral{Bretval} 13:49:13 pm CST
~settles in her kneel listening to Jarl Randolph~

larissa{Austin} 13:49:19 pm CST
crooks her head to the right, giving Jarl Randolph her full undivided attention and gives a quick wink to the lovely scribe

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:50:03 pm CST
tapping fingers to chin..pondering the topic

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:50:50 pm CST
Hmm, thinks those who have been here the longest should go first with this one

meral{Bretval} 13:51:33 pm CST
The Euro Forum and GRS have started......two very good things

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:52:06 pm CST
Of those present I am probably mid way in time here. Certainly over the last 4 years to seems to be livelier than it was, possibly a shade more informal

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:52:30 pm CST
what girl has noticed is that Wwe are a cohesive honor and serve Oour Home...into a thriving community

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 13:52:52 pm CST
I think I will stand silent on that topic....

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:53:43 pm CST
for those this side of the pond, mea, it has been good having something in our time zone

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:54:39 pm CST
girl as always frets when she thinks of GS being considered a Disney Gor role play...Gor is harsh period and should be role played as such

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:54:46 pm CST
Back in the late 14th Century when I joined...
To be a bit sensible;

I think there is a lot more flexibility now than there was when I started.
I think that is a reflection on the societies we all come from, the society is changing and so is this place.
We have survived where others have fallen by the way side.
The main reason for that is the Council.
I don't say that because I am a Captain, I say that because Gorean Shores is not restricted to one Man's idea of what Gor should be, therefore flexible, therefore it lives!

So what some see as a reduction in standards I see as the reason we are still here

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:55:07 pm CST
Grins at Breval - I was counting on you to liven things up !!!!!

meral{Bretval} 13:55:23 pm CST
oh yes Jarl....nodding in agreement

Master of one 13:56:24 pm CST
~nods agreeing with Keeper
Yes, not one Man's vision of Gor allows it to appeal to more

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:57:03 pm CST
Can't help but agree with that, Keeper. the question is have we reduced somewhat the Gorean element. Always brought up by some.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:57:19 pm CST
insightful point Jarl Keeper..nodding

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:57:21 pm CST
Having said all that, there are certain standards that must remain.

We cannot become Disney Gor!
Nor can we be inflexible.
I have see that balanced maintained, yes ruby, by the thriving community.

Master of one 13:57:36 pm CST
I have noticed that we have fewer GS slaves... newcomers seem to get into personal collars much quicker now... if they stay

larissa{Austin} 13:57:49 pm CST
girl likes the diversity she sees in the Masters and the slaves, how they speak, act, she takes a lot in and watches. each dynamic in the Master slave relationship is different. enlightening to watch the roles around her

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 13:59:25 pm CST
Most of the changes were positive over the last 5 1/2 years... Council has grown from 2 to 5 Captains plus an advisor ... Mentor position was added... ...

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:59:25 pm CST
Yes the Council sets rules and enforces them, but it is the community that make GS what it is.

We may not agree with each other, but we at times, swallow our pride for the common good.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:02:06 pm CST

yes...diversity...its important, very wise my sister

Dak 14:02:27 pm CST
*laughing*, at the topic, I doubt anyone wants to hear My thoughts on that, *s*

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:02:41 pm CST
~Nodding to Master of one~

It would be better to have more GS slaves.
It would be better by far if the community made that happen.
You do not want the blunt instrument of a Council rule to create more GS slaves, because that is exactly the kind of thing an Ubar might do and in doing so remove that flexibility and really damage Oour home in the long run.

Your point is very valid Master of one.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:03:49 pm CST
Dak, of course we do, not used to you remaining silent !!!!!

Master of one 14:04:30 pm CST
I wouldnt want it to be a rule... I just think sometimes We need to move slower with newcomers.Master and slave alike

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:05:00 pm CST

Master Dak
this one would like to hear Your opinion as always

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:05:30 pm CST
It does appear that slaves generally wish to be personally owned - otherwise they leave

larissa{Austin} 14:05:37 pm CST
quietly listens. being respectful to all in the room.

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 14:05:47 pm CST
This one agrees with larissa there is a lot of diversity in good ways though

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:05:52 pm CST
Best Wwe cam do if offer an ~O~ collar. #One ... worked in the past ... hopefully it will in the future

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:05:59 pm CST
It is an issue M of 1
How to address it is difficult, rules are like a baseball bat, when you should be using tweezers!

Master of one 14:06:23 pm CST
maybe that is another discussion altogether Randolph

Dak 14:07:38 pm CST
there is a section on the boards that thoroughly disturbing and to Me is totally UN- Gorean !

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:07:58 pm CST
~Nodding to Bretval~
The 'O' collar works well.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:08:43 pm CST
girl would like Us to follow the books as close as possible...even in the books, slaves desire and yearn for a personal Master..this is supported by many many quotes

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:09:17 pm CST
maybe a second topic Mo1

meral{Bretval} 14:09:35 pm CST
mea wore an O collar for ten days.....has now worn her Masters collar for two should always be the Master and girls choice

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:10:43 pm CST
some of it is there to get visitors interested, Dak...

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:10:43 pm CST
It is natural for a slave to desire that ruby but in the books there are far more 'non personally owned' as a ratio than in GS

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:11:01 pm CST
That is true ruby.
Also, we as a community and on the Council need to remember there is a real person with real feelings, real emotions behind each and every keyboard.

That is a most important consideration.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:11:44 pm CST
Again, a balance.

Master of one 14:11:53 pm CST
yes mea I agree.... but in your case Bretval had been here for a very long time. And I will say that is a big reason why it has worked, because of HIS experience

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:11:58 pm CST
true enough my Jarl

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:12:13 pm CST
Yes stay close to the books, yes consider the person.

Dak 14:12:18 pm CST
*s*, it is one thing to have a slave, but quite another to keep her like a wife or girlfriend, *s*

larissa{Austin} 14:13:01 pm CST
very well said Jarl Keeper, as feelings can be hurt without even realizing one has done that. to the point that a person wants to leave.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:13:08 pm CST
Dak, what disturbs you as being un-Gorean on the Boards??

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:14:12 pm CST
I truly agree with ruby, the books are almost like common law in the Westminster System. A strong guide of what is right and wrong, but can be over-ruled by decisions that need to be made in real life situations.

Master of one 14:14:12 pm CST
yes Keeper...that should be rule 1... remember there is a real person behind the screen

Dak 14:14:26 pm CST
*s*, the section on slave restrictions, *shakes head*

meral{Bretval} 14:14:51 pm CST

with respect Master of one.......mea knew exactly what she wanted in a Master also
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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..1-Feb-2017
« Reply #1 on: Feb 19th, 2017, 4:35pm »

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:15:33 pm CST
Thank you for that #One... and I agree ... I had over 3 years experience.... knew what I wanted and it was My mea... after I spent time to learn about her and she learned about Me

Master of one 14:17:11 pm CST
its that time that I think is not always being taken Bretval

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:17:26 pm CST
When I read the restrictions board I can work out exactly what kind of relationship exists between the Master and slave.
Better than a psychologist analysis!
It seems to Me to be about the person or persons behind the keyboard.

Dak 14:18:24 pm CST
yes, but is it Gorean??

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:18:44 pm CST
nodding in affirmative to Jarl Keeper

sometimes ruby feels that the slave should have choice...that may be something that gets fogged

the Master has the choice...on all things...period..including His property

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 14:19:52 pm CST
Nods agreeing with ruby

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:19:58 pm CST

~As I leave~
Yes, very Gorean, a Master's word is law!

meral{Bretval} 14:20:57 pm CST
for a Master to have complete control over His property Master Dak?.......absolutely Gorean

larissa{Austin} 14:21:46 pm CST

Master Dak, may girl ask you why it would not be gorean, may alter some opinions

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:22:25 pm CST
Dak, in truth W/we are all urthern creatures trying to be Gorean. some manage better than others.

{pink fluff}``..``.☆~ GEEK's 14:22:45 pm CST
waves bubbye to Jarl Keeper and mouths...thank Jarl Randolph asim caught up on topic

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:23:57 pm CST
Are restrictions Gorean... some are some are not... but without some flexibility Wwe would probably be back to an empty Home

Master of one 14:24:13 pm CST
~nods to Randolph's comment

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:25:31 pm CST
listens to my Jarls wise words...cuddles closer

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:26:23 pm CST
grins at Mo1 - My slave is actually Gorean who miraculously was transported to urth !!!!!

Dak 14:26:42 pm CST
well, in a true Gorean tavern, you would NEVER see a restricted slave, *s* when I came to GS, few slave were restricted, I knew of one, she was owned by a Captain, and she was ordered to do Hot serves, loved her serves, when she got thru with a serve , you didn't' care whether she was restricted or not, *s*

Master of one 14:27:28 pm CST
too bad she didnt bring some sisters with her Randolph

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:27:44 pm CST
chuckles to my Jarl...beams to Your fine compliment...fingers caress Your circlet of steel

larissa{Austin} 14:28:21 pm CST
Master Dak, would that then restrict GS white silks and yellow silks from going into the tavern, along with restricted slaves only keeping them to the Kennels and Piazza?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:28:42 pm CST
Mo1 - lol -maybe she did

Master of one 14:29:48 pm CST
have you hidden them all away My Friend?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:30:47 pm CST
It does seem, Dak, RT times have changed. the fact GS has adapted does mean we are one of the few to have survived - as Bretval has alluded to.

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:31:48 pm CST

And once upon a time Free Women were not allowed in a Tavern... things have to adapt to reality
while staying to the books as well as possible...

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 14:32:52 pm CST
With this one being of the younger people are there ways to get more involved in Gor

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:33:53 pm CST
and really white silk GS slave are more restricted than the girls like...

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:34:10 pm CST
that is very true Master Bretval

Free Women in the books did not enter a paga Tavern..not ever, unless She wished new jewelry...thus making adaptions is necessary, in this ones lowly opinion

larissa{Austin} 14:35:36 pm CST
nods and agrees with Master Bretval, being a white silk, it is hard to do a serve and be teasing and flirty without showing heat and not crossing that line. and even then sometimes this girl questions if she went to far as a white silk.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:35:52 pm CST
Any more comments on this subject??

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:36:31 pm CST
That ism up to your Master ayli....

meral{Bretval} 14:36:31 pm CST
none from mea thank You Jarl

{pink fluff}``..``.☆~ GEEK's 14:36:53 pm CST

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:36:54 pm CST
Is that not something that is covered in slave class rissa?

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 14:37:16 pm CST
None from this one Jarl Randolph

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:39:09 pm CST
Nothing more from Me Randolph

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:39:09 pm CST
As a Summary the consensus seem to be that overall GS has become less 'Gorean' although the flexibility has resulted in a good number of members who stay and enjoy GS as it is.

larissa{Austin} 14:39:16 pm CST
yes and no Jarl Randolph, its like where does the line cross, lapping, kissing a Masters Hand, a stroke of a cheek.. blowing in a Master's ear. depending on the Master or slave could be crossing the line for a white silk... sometimes subtle is more.

Dak 14:39:19 pm CST
no, white silks are always restricted, and allowed in the Tavern, which is an Onlineism to learn the ways , yellow is a Tavern designation and never restricted, *s* I find GS to be more like a BDSM room, anymore !

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:39:23 pm CST
yes my Jarl
that subject is bought up in class...however mostly in the written lessons

if ruby sees too much heat by a white is corrected

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:39:50 pm CST
I have another topic referred to earlier - one moment

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:41:29 pm CST
Topic 2:

Would having a greater ratio of GS slaves be beneficial to O/our Home?

If yes how could that be achieved?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:42:38 pm CST
That is an adjunct to the previous topic but something I have noticed is the decline in GS slaves over the last 4 years

larissa{Austin} 14:43:52 pm CST

quietly speaks up, if all slaves entering were required to be GS slaves first and then a Master could purchase the GS slave from the council. that would eliminate some of the issues of Free collaring a bareneck slave but can still make acquisitions between other Master's property.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:44:55 pm CST

well girl of course thinks there should be more GS owned slaves...that's a given

Master of one 14:46:00 pm CST

I don't think we want rules to create more GS slaves
I think sometimes the girls who are GS slaves feel to be less than their sisters who are personal slaves
And think its up to the GS Masters to make them feel they have worth

meral{Bretval} 14:46:03 pm CST
in two years mea has seen GS slaves come and go......they all seem to want a personal Master

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:46:28 pm CST
Only thing I can think of I do not really like...
new Masters should have to spent a year before being allowed to own a slave.... given that He is totally new to Gor and needs to learn a few things

Frederick 14:46:49 pm CST
thank you Randolph

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:47:23 pm CST
Agrees with Mo1 entirely. Although the slaves feelings and attitude may be different if there were many more of them

{pink fluff}``..``.☆~ GEEK's 14:47:56 pm CST
MO1...i couldnt agree more

i felt like i was sub standard and not wanted ,,, which was actually true...but im sure there are other wonderful slaves who feel similar as well

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:48:05 pm CST

agrees with that Master of one..there are perks to both GS slaves and personally owned slaves

Dak 14:50:27 pm CST
The reason I feel there is few Tavern slaves is, the Masters are so COMMITTED to the slave they own, that they pay little attention to the Tavern slaves not long ago, I spoke with one that left
GS and asked her why she left, and she said after a year of being a yellow silk outside of her opening, she had never been used!

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:50:46 pm CST
Likes Bretval's idea. Although then perhaps Master's would acquire a girl in PS and bring her into GS.

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:51:43 pm CST
but I agree that the differences between a GS and personal slave needs to be laid out more thoroughly... information is critical

larissa{Austin} 14:52:25 pm CST
a year may be too long and that would weave out people who think they want to be here and those who check it out and leave after a few months. but maybe do 6 months.

Frederick 14:53:40 pm CST
has to admit that I agree with Dak

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:53:50 pm CST

one thing a slave must learn..and learn well is patience

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:54:13 pm CST
As in all things patience is needed. there is an optimum time I am sure - but don't know what that is !!!!!

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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..1-Feb-2017
« Reply #2 on: Feb 19th, 2017, 4:56pm »

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:54:32 pm CST
I totally agree Dak... that was a shame

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:55:41 pm CST
Thinks I know the slave that Dak refers to, and agrees it was a great shame. W/we shouldn't lose slaves like that.

meral{Bretval} 14:56:06 pm CST
isn't it the responsibility of the Captains to take care of the well being of Their property?

Frederick 14:56:57 pm CST
We are all to blame that she felt that way

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:56:59 pm CST
oh mea...indeed...insightful question

Dak 14:57:41 pm CST
well, a Tavern slave will never stay if the get to do more than do serves! not only that there serves don't improve either!

{pink fluff}``..``.☆~ GEEK's 14:57:44 pm CST
ruby, i am very patient...when there is a reason or a need..this collar you see onmy was placed after being together (in various guases from play partners to D/s to M/s)for 17 months

im not sure what the patient comment has to do with what i said, clarification would help me understand

larissa{Austin} 14:58:08 pm CST
is it up to the Captains or all. as a Master who owns personally owned slaves doesnt want to hurt the slaves feelings but showing attention to another slave no matter who the slave is owned by.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:58:52 pm CST
Yes it is mea and ruby. But if GS slaves are unused owing to Masters sticking to their personal slaves, it is almost an impossible task.

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:59:10 pm CST
Ideally it is, mea... but all the FM do have some responsibility...

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:59:48 pm CST
honestly this isn't the proper format...perhaps at a later time will allow ruby to explain further

Dak 15:01:27 pm CST
also, if a Gorean Master in the books felt He had strong feelings for a slave, He usually treated her worse, becuz otherwise she would feel like she could have some control over Him, *s*

{pink fluff}``..``.☆~ GEEK's 15:02:30 pm CST
-looks to ruby- perhaps

meral{Bretval} 15:02:42 pm CST
mea must be missing far as she was aware an Owner is solely responsible for the well being of His/Their property

larissa{Austin} 15:04:04 pm CST
girl did not come to Gor blindly, she knew this was a Masters world and even if a Master wanted to take another or fur another that is HIS right as a Master.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:04:44 pm CST
Master Dak
again correct
love slaves were kept under the strict discipline

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 15:05:02 pm CST
that nis the thinking of the author, Dak... but q Master who cannot trust Himself He has no place owning a slave in My opinion

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:06:22 pm CST
Any other comments before I close?

meral{Bretval} 15:07:13 pm CST
yes lots Jarl Randolph.....mea will ask her Master in the morning.....smiles softly

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 15:07:18 pm CST
nothing more here, Randolph

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:07:18 pm CST
nothing more my Jarl from Yours

larissa{Austin} 15:07:43 pm CST
nothing from larissa, she has said more then usual today.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:08:02 pm CST
As a Summary there seems a consensus W/we should have more GS slaves here. How to do it seems to elude U/us. Some of the suggestions are good and hopefully will lead to other thinking

swtpea{Frederick} 15:08:07 pm CST
nothing from this girl

Dak 15:08:23 pm CST
and not always treated well, either, ruby, *s*

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 15:08:30 pm CST
Nothing more from this girl Jarl Randolph

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:09:10 pm CST
I thank A/all for attending and contributing to two interesting topic.

Kisses the Scribe

and with that I close EForum for this week

meral{Bretval} 15:09:51 pm CST
Thank You for leading Jarl Randolph

thank you lovely ruby for scribing

larissa{Austin} 15:09:55 pm CST
thank you for leading Jarl Randolph.. love the topics today.

and the lovely ruby, thank you for all you do for our home.

ayli{Dak} ~chain and heart sister to libi~ 15:10:11 pm CST
Thank You Jarl Randolph for leading

thank you ruby for scribing

swtpea{Frederick} 15:10:47 pm CST
thank you for leading Jarl Randolph
thank you for scribing ruby

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 15:10:51 pm CST
My thanks to you for leading Randolph and to the lovely ruby for scribing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:11:16 pm CST
thank You my Jarl for leading...kisses deeply

Frederick 15:11:17 pm CST
a pleasure as always Randolph and ruby

Dak 15:11:21 pm CST
nothing more from Me, I've already probably said to much, *s*

larissa{Austin} 15:13:41 pm CST
Master Dak, never, nobody can say too much in larissa's eyes. that is how she learns.

Dak 15:14:56 pm CST
thanks Randolph for leading, and

ruby for scrbbling, *s*

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:14:17 pm CST

rolls up the parchment swiftly

as always a pleasure to serve my Jarls Home
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