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xx Euro-Forum notes..19-March-2017
« Thread started on: Mar 20th, 2017, 12:13pm »

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Jarl Keeper
Jarl Randolph - Moderator
Master Bretval
Master Pax

rykl{Keeper}~t
meral{Bretval}
larissa{Austin}
ruby{Randolph}~t - scribe

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:38:14 pm CDT
I have a topic, which I will edit a little

In the meantime please remember the rules, all known by now !!!!!

kisses the scribe hoping all will be kind to her

meral{Bretval} 14:39:15 pm CDT

~settles listening to Jarl Randolph~

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:39:40 pm CDT
poises nib to finely milled rence parchment...listens intently

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:40:28 pm CDT
Topic1

There has been talk about livening up the Tavern by making it more interesting - would having more personal contact with the slaves help in this? In which case what is a minimum that a personally owned slave should be required to be touched by her Master?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:40:47 pm CDT
sorry about the delay

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:41:53 pm CDT
My first reaction to this is that it is the prerogative of the Master

larissa{Austin} 14:41:54 pm CDT
girl thinks a Master should be able to do as He wishes with His property in any room.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:42:45 pm CDT
not quite understanding my Master

what is a minimum that a personally owned slave should be required to be touched by her Master?

by her own Master?

meral{Bretval} 14:44:10 pm CDT
mea doesn't understand the question either

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:44:33 pm CDT
ruby, my editing is not good here

Thinks it means is there a minimum standard that a slave should be allowed to be touched, rather than being totally prohibited - what would a minimum be?

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:45:02 pm CDT
Not sure I understand the question, but...

That is up to the Master, He owns the slave, so His choice, that is the Gorean way.

If it refers to what is the minimum a slave can be touched by another Master, again, He owns the slave, so His choice, that is the Gorean way.

larissa{Austin} 14:45:31 pm CDT
that again would be up to the slave's Master. not for a slave to make that decision.

meral{Bretval} 14:46:20 pm CDT
by another Master other than her own Master?

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:47:01 pm CDT
agrees with larissa

a Master of His Owned beast..may do as He wishes...its His whim to be spoiled, not His slave

Bretval {meral}: 14:47:26 pm CDT
not a concern for My mea and I ... rarely in public rooms since there is no one around when Wwe are *shrug*

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:47:27 pm CDT
Hmmmm, I suppose if all slaves could not be touched at all then the Tavern would not be an interesting place. All slaves take the coins etc. which is touching

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:47:41 pm CDT
Nodding in agreement with larissa and ruby
Anything else is not Gorean.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:48:11 pm CDT
lol Bretval, I am in the same boat with ruby

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 14:49:16 pm CDT
There are many tavern owned slaves and rather a lot of privately owned slaves that are not restricted these days

Bretval {meral}: 14:49:24 pm CDT
but I agree that is really up to the Master what goes on

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:50:43 pm CDT
any other comments?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:51:20 pm CDT
W/we all seem to agree it is totally up to the Master as to how the girl is treated

larissa{Austin} 14:51:28 pm CDT
not from this girl, thank you for asking Jarl. warm smile.

meral{Bretval} 14:52:07 pm CDT

none from mea thank You Jarl

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:52:14 pm CDT
Let's move on to the next topic

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:53:06 pm CDT
Topic 2:

Can O/one properly understand Gor ....without reading the John Norman novels?

larissa{Austin} 14:55:19 pm CDT
while her fingers grip the white silks she ponders the next topic at hand.

Bretval {meral}: 14:56:50 pm CDT
I do not think so..... the problem comes when quotes etc. cover all the books ... We live in Port Kar.... and it's concerns should be paramount

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:57:00 pm CDT
~Laughing~

The reason for My laughter.
At university I had to study "Sense and Sensibility."
Part of Literature Studies.

Never read the book, got an High Distinction (A)

It is better to read the books, and I have read a few, but....

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:57:05 pm CDT
Having read many of the books I feel it has given me a deep understanding of Gor. Without doing that one relies on the quotes and talk of the other members to glean what it means

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:57:37 pm CDT
frankly yes...girl thinks it prudent to actually read the novels Wwe role-play

imho if One does not absorb the teachings by reading...at best One will only possess a superficial understanding of Gor, lacking the true depth of comprehension, lacking an understanding of the details s and subtleties of Gor.... based on the knowledge of someone else...and if that is true, then O/one may be basing your understanding on misinformation

larissa{Austin} 14:57:41 pm CDT
girl thinks one can understand it to an extent, but may not be able to rollplay to the full ability of the books.

if there is a specific event that is taking place, maybe suggest which book its coming out of so people who want to read that book could get a better understanding of the book, before the roll play commences.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:57:45 pm CDT
OH dear, My secret is out!

meral{Bretval} 14:58:45 pm CDT
GRS reading and discussing the books have certainly given mea a deeper understanding of Gor

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:58:46 pm CDT
oh my Jarl..kisses ...the same thought

Bretval {meral}: 14:58:56 pm CDT
with the understanding that the individuals background also has an influence...

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 14:59:03 pm CDT
It is better to have read the books.
Much better.
But not reading them should not preclude one from understanding Gor.

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 15:00:14 pm CDT
This one has had more time since my Jarl's rt has become more busy so she decided to start at the beginning and read. It has been an interesting journey for this one....

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 15:01:25 pm CDT

They do provide a certain depth of knowledge My sweet rykl.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:01:27 pm CDT
smiles to mea in agreement re: GRS

there are several novels that are even referred to as slave novels as they are told from the viewpoint of a slave. These include Captive of Gor, Slave Girl of Girl, Kajirae of Gor, Dancer of Gor and Witness of Gor....in this ones opinion a valued read for all kajirae

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:02:30 pm CDT
agrees with ry, It took a while before I began reading the books and then read them in order. I found the whole subject fascinating, and the repetition does drive the meaning of Gor home

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:03:49 pm CDT
I am going to see the doctor on Tuesday - hope she has read all the necessary books !!!!!

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 15:05:02 pm CDT
girl is a little saddened that she finally started reading them and had all these questions and ahh haa moments and the evening book club doesn't meet...
But she does discuss them with my Jarl

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 15:05:17 pm CDT
Laughing, aren't you glad I am not a doctor Randolph?

Grinning!

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:05:37 pm CDT
Topic2

Is the reading of the Gorean Books essential to understanding Gor?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:06:16 pm CDT
lol, Keeper, my thinking exactly

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 15:06:23 pm CDT
~Nodding to rykl~
One thing reading the books, or for that matter any book, does it allows a more meaningful discussion.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:07:21 pm CDT
yes, it does Keeper, which is why GRS is so interesting

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:07:54 pm CDT
understanding the books in the Gorean philosophy is also assisted by discussions with Oothers, an exchange of ideas, questions and comments about Gor....the more you discuss Gor with Oothers, then the greater the chance you might gain a new insight into Gor

this is why Book Club is so necessary..and it defies girl, why it is not better attended

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 15:08:02 pm CDT
I would argue that reading the books in not essential to understand Gor.

Reading at least some of the books is essential for a really deep understanding of Gor.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:08:35 pm CDT

my Jarl...Your reading girls mind..chuckles

meral{Bretval} 15:08:40 pm CDT

smiles to ruby totally agreeing with her

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:09:33 pm CDT
lol, agrees with My verbose one

Bretval {meral}: 15:09:37 pm CDT
Even the summaries in GRS are based on some reading of the books... or they leave the reader with questi0ons... or at least should

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 15:11:10 pm CDT
When I could attend I did enjoy Book Club.
~Nodding in agreement~

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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..19-March-2017
« Reply #1 on: Mar 20th, 2017, 12:35pm »

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:12:37 pm CDT
I would advocate that the 'slave novels' mentioned by ruby should be part of the slave classes

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:13:40 pm CDT
any other comments??

meral{Bretval} 15:14:39 pm CDT

none from mea thank You Jarl

PAX 15:14:51 pm CDT

I have only read a few of the books but they do tend to give a understanding

rykl.{Keeper}~t~ 15:14:52 pm CDT
This girl likes that suggestion Jarl Randolph about the books and slave class

larissa{Austin} 15:15:05 pm CDT
nothing from larissa, thank you Jarl

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:16:01 pm CDT
In Summary some don't think the books need to be read, on the other hand some do.

I have to say I find that a very strange conclusion !!!!!

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 15:16:18 pm CDT
~Nodding~

I agree with both Randolph and rykl, good idea

Bretval {meral}: 15:17:08 pm CDT
the most important 'idea' could be separated out for slave class I think, Randolph

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:18:04 pm CDT
indeed my Jarl..and those would be the ones that kajirae would enjoy best too...to understand the inner meaning of a true slave heart...to be respectful...and not mouthy...just shudders

the fear may be the slaves running the asylum...by manipulating the Free...not on purpose but by ignorance to the structure set forth in the books

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:20:50 pm CDT
agrees ruby - 4 years does have the effect of seeing things the same way !!!!!!!!

Another Topic

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:22:31 pm CDT
Topic 3: (no prizes for guessing who gave this topic)

When in the Tavern, I rarely drink ale, only when every one else is drinking ale will I do the same.
It is the same in Real Time. Not a beer drinker.
I tend to be careful what I say;
Same in Real Time

What idiosyncrasies, what small parts of your personality come through in Gor?

How much of your real personality is in Gor?

[Remember; no one is obliged to reveal anything about themselves in any way.]

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:23:59 pm CDT
I suspect a lot of My personality comes out in Gor, just adapted to the rp and Gorean situation

larissa{Austin} 15:24:39 pm CDT
most of larissa comes into Gor. larissa is very quiet and observes. doesnt really talk in whispers. and keeps to herself. she watches mostly. is pretty shy. it takes a lot for her to open up for somebody to get to know her.

PAX 15:25:10 pm CDT
I agree with Randolph I am as close to me in rt and Gor

larissa{Austin} 15:26:21 pm CDT

to add to that, larissa is the same way real time. it takes a lot for her to open up... and once the trust is broken it end the friendship. trust goes a very long way with larissa.

Bretval {meral}: 15:27:03 pm CDT

~LOL~ it is not the ale or whatever... big part of it is watching the girl serving...
same can be said for RT at times *WEG*

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:28:41 pm CDT
girl would have to say..she tries to stay true to the Gorean doctrine...to serve and be deemed pleasing..ruby strives for that in rt too

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:29:01 pm CDT

I certainly agree with rissa on trust - once broken cannot be repaired. However, in GS I find most here to be as if they are themselves, even in rp. That is how it comes across to Me, maybe it is not the case !!!!!

larissa{Austin} 15:29:41 pm CDT
as far as servitude. larissa, is very submissive in her personal life. same way in Gor. that doesn't change. she hates conflict, and drama, easier to walk away then start a war.

meral{Bretval} 15:30:44 pm CDT
mea is the same RT as she is in Gor

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:33:46 pm CDT
I think it is difficult to rp for long periods in a character that is not one's own. So, any who have been here for a while do show their underlying character

Bretval {meral}: 15:34:06 pm CDT

*kiss* very true, mea
and I do agree with rissa... must be trust the bedrock in Gor or RT

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:35:51 pm CDT
any other comments on this topic??

meral{Bretval} 15:36:11 pm CDT
yes my Master....kiss

without trust no Oone can grow or learn

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:37:11 pm CDT

agrees fully my Jarl

if Oone is belligerent, hostile and mouthy in rt...no doubt it will spill of to the role play...and life for a slave may become quite ugly

meral{Bretval} 15:39:18 pm CDT

very true ruby

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:39:55 pm CDT
As a Summary:

Overall it appears that a persons real character does come through in GS. Trust in others here is a prerequisite for people to settle in here.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:40:47 pm CDT
agrees with larissa
leave the drama and the pity parties at the door...it gets so tiring

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:41:01 pm CDT
With that I close EForum for this week

I thank A/all for attending and for contributing to the topics

larissa{Austin} 15:42:27 pm CDT

thank you for leading Jarl Randolph, and His beauty for scribing

meral{Bretval} 15:42:51 pm CDT
Thank You for leading Jarl Randolph

thank you for scribing ruby

Bretval {meral}: 15:43:12 pm CDT
thank You for leading Randolph and the lovely ruby for scribing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:44:42 pm CDT
thank You for leading my Beloved Jarl...kisses

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:46:16 pm CDT
rolls up the parchment swiftly

as always a joy to serve my Jarls Home
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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..19-March-2017
« Reply #2 on: Mar 20th, 2017, 4:21pm »

Having not been able to be at this Forum I nonetheless would like to comment on the first topic.

I agree it is indeed a Master's choice on what the limits on His property will be.

That said it is NOT in My mind a Master's right to have a slave of His enter a room where she is not able to serve in the way the room requires. It seems to Me the Captains would be within Their rights to say that TO ENTER or be IN the Tavern without her Owner a slave's restrictions must allow her to for example say: lap, be touched and sexually teased, or even furred (which or all determined on what the Captains wish the atmosphere of the room to be.

Such a STANDARD would make it so Masters KNOW what at minimum is allowed with each girl in the Tavern.
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