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xx Euro-Forum notes..30-July-2017
« Thread started on: Aug 3rd, 2017, 10:52am »

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Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:50:42 pm CDT
If anyone has a topic for EForum then please whisper it to me now

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:51:38 pm CDT
poises nib to rence parchment..listens intently

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:56:36 pm CDT
ohhhh, have a Topic, the threat of a NY joke seems to have worked

One moment while I edit it

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:59:20 pm CDT
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In Gor slaves go on auction. In GS I have not read about auctions... just releasing slaves.. and very seldom purchasing a slave. What would be a good procedure to have a posted sale or auction... In the corks? or a public announcement such as in the tavern? How would the auction be carried out?

Master of one 14:01:03 pm CDT
I think either the corks or forum would be the best venues to announce something like that

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:01:13 pm CDT
hmmm
taps fingers to chin

Austin - Scholar- 14:01:20 pm CDT
Heavy topic Randolph

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:01:32 pm CDT
Hm, an interesting one, I cannot remember an auction. They used to draw lots for new yellow silks

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:02:31 pm CDT
Yes, Mo1, I suppose the auction could take place at Forum

Master of one 14:03:15 pm CDT
Isn't forum where the ostraka for new yellow silks takes place?

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:03:48 pm CDT
the ostraka?..my Master

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:03:55 pm CDT
I suppose they could be auctioned by lots, that would make the procedure more transparent

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:04:15 pm CDT
same thought..Master of one

Austin - Scholar- 14:04:22 pm CDT
If you go in corks.. and the Master would want the bids to not be public.. so Master who want to bid not feel like they lost i the auction... How would that be... interesting.. in the message box in the corks?

It was in the Tavern.. then auction is only available to those present.... would you post the Auction a few days before the actual auction..

Is auctioning off a slave... more humiliating that just releasing.. because she is only property... would that be a better way to get value back from His original purchase of the salve or make a profit if the girl was not paid for

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:05:49 pm CDT
yes, that is so. I once tried to bid on a yellow silk, before I was pledged, the Captains wouldn't allow it, despite Thorrn trying to help (before he was a Captain)

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:07:12 pm CDT
agree, posting on the corks in advance would give all pledged a chance to attend

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:07:19 pm CDT
peers at the black pearl in her navel

Austin - Scholar- 14:07:42 pm CDT
Would the slave have to be present during the auction..

and ruby and Bretval and Randolph would know... were auctions more common in the books?

Master of one 14:08:03 pm CDT
That is a difficult subject... What if the girl rt doesn't like the high bidder?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:08:46 pm CDT
Austin, if by lots then all could be given in advance, so those in Europe and Oz could bid, and then the winner announced at Forum

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:09:12 pm CDT
in the books it mattered not if a slave liked a Master or not

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:09:34 pm CDT

yes, very prevalent in the books

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:09:53 pm CDT
aucti0ons were common in the books

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:10:31 pm CDT
A good point Mo1 - it comes back to LH's views and the level of Gorean we are, or want to be

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:10:55 pm CDT
Auctions were put on by Slavers in the books...still a Merchant
ruby in seven years was never witness to an Auction in GS

Austin - Scholar- 14:11:10 pm CDT
Has anyone seen an Auction in GS before... wonder if Rollo is privy to that information or Sandman

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:11:17 pm CDT
However, bearing in mind this is NOT Gor, the slaves may vote with their feet

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:12:39 pm CDT
but this is not a book.... on the other side of the screen is a real person... so she should have some say

Master of one 14:12:52 pm CDT
Yes, Randolph...that's My point.... Here they have the option of not logging in anymore

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:13:29 pm CDT
I have seen an auction

Austin - Scholar- 14:13:35 pm CDT
I remember asta being sold without prior notice

Master of one 14:14:27 pm CDT
Also, what is to keep the bidding from getting outrageous? There is no coin to limit the price

Austin - Scholar- 14:15:29 pm CDT
If a Master releases a slave girl... and she is bare neck.. she can be claimed if she enters the Tavern or any other capture zone.. she has the prerogative to enter or not.. an auction no prerogative.. but is that not the same as if a Master sells a slave to GS??

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:15:43 pm CD
I have seen some sold, but not auctioned. It has come across as a pre arranged deal though

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:16:36 pm CDT
Mo1, yes, which would favour a lottery being used

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:17:19 pm CDT
Master Bretval
an Auction...or an ostraka for opening?

Austin - Scholar- 14:17:22 pm CDT
If I remember right asta was unaware of being sold.. she and I think Heretic were walking on the street in the market.. and I forgot who bought her there.... and as asta said she never knew it was going to occur

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:18:05 pm CDT
the girl could be sold or given tp the Council IF the Council wants her

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:18:31 pm CDT

If a Master releases a slave he either frees her or sells her I suppose. He can hardly release her to nobody.

Austin - Scholar- 14:18:38 pm CDT
MO1 if the bids were not public.... then the limit would be not important.. highest bidder... and how badly the Master wanted the slave

Austin - Scholar- 14:19:13 pm CDT
Bretval but she wouldn't have a choice .. am I correct if she was sold to Council

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:19:27 pm CDT
girl has heard Master Lionheart often say
One would not release an old car..etc etc
His thoughts have a great deal of merit

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:19:39 pm CDT
I think both ruby... and prices could get outrageous

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:19:59 pm CDT

Was she not bought by Portus/Sophie?

Austin - Scholar- 14:20:25 pm CDT
Unfortuately... I think in the books Gore takes pride in humiliation... so which would be more humiliating ??

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:21:51 pm CDT
the books tend to focus on the slave, as a animal is sold at the highest price, unless given as a present or favour

Austin - Scholar- 14:21:57 pm CDT
nods to Randolph... about asta... after the Master who purchased her and released her in a short period of time

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:22:43 pm CDT
No he would not Austin... except to stop coming to GS...
therein lies the rub... in RT slaves do have a choice

Austin - Scholar- 14:24:16 pm CDT
agrees with Bretval
tough topic.... cause dealing with RT people and also trying to be as Gorean ideology as possible

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:24:19 pm CDT
In the books a slave could always be sold, even as a pot slave. Here it would be difficult to do so if the girl is unwilling. again, we are dealing with urthern girls here in GS (despite what some would like)

Master of one 14:25:10 pm CDT

I think very few slaves would return if they were sold to a Master they didn't like rt

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:25:24 pm CDT
my Jarl
it is well known..barbarians make the best slaves

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:25:32 pm CDT
grins at Bretval, you type faster and more concisely than me - but agree

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:25:53 pm CDT
yes ruby, but only in Gor

Austin - Scholar- 14:26:01 pm CDT
I agree with Randolph and MO1

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:27:08 pm CDT
yes, true, Mo1. which is why we end up with so many releases

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:28:43 pm CDT

in the end to keep the slaves someone need to actually speak privately with the girl about the options open to her

Master of one 14:29:00 pm CDT
I think it better to keep them coming to GS and being part of the community than having them leave

Austin - Scholar- 14:29:16 pm CDT

It would be interesting to hear what the night Forum would say about the topic

Austin - Scholar- 14:29:36 pm CDT
Agrees with MO1

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:29:37 pm CDT
yes, agree Bretval, perhaps that happens in slave class, or with the trainers. - looks at ruby?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:30:02 pm CDT
also agree with Mo1

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:30:26 pm CDT
it is girls understanding the Council will speak to the slave, before she is sold from the Tavern chain
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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..30-July-2017
« Reply #1 on: Aug 3rd, 2017, 11:12am »

Austin - Scholar- 14:30:28 pm CDT
excellent advice Bretval

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:30:47 pm CDT
I agree #One...

Austin - Scholar- 14:31:27 pm CDT
Now to buy a slave from council... I had to write a few letters to Captains about purchasing her... but it was well worth it.. smiles

Austin - Scholar- 14:32:00 pm CDT
Totally agree with MO1

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:32:35 pm CDT
Austin, you had a bargain, whatever you paid

Austin - Scholar- 14:33:14 pm CDT
Nods... to Randolph.. a silver was a bargain... such a delight

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:34:00 pm CDT
ayli, the topic is on slaves being auctioned in GS. Regret the actual wording has been removed

Master of one 14:34:37 pm CDT
It would be interesting to hear what the slaves think from a rt perspective, of being sold to the Captains instead of being released

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:35:34 pm CDT
truly a bargain Austin... 3 or 4 gold would be normal in My experience

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:36:00 pm CDT
yes, Mo1, looks at ruby and ayli

ayli, this means rather than being released a slave would be sold to the Captains as a gs slave.

Master of one 14:36:02 pm CDT
Belonging to the GS chain keeps them here safely

Austin - Scholar- 14:36:03 pm CDT
Bretval.. I would have paid more than the 3 or 4... she is that valuable

Austin - Scholar- 14:36:45 pm CDT

At the auction.. would the Captains bid for the girl to become a GS slave?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:36:46 pm CDT

yes, a very good topic to be continued later on

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:37:43 pm CDT
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Topic1

In Gor slaves go on auction. In GS I have not read about auctions... just releasing slaves.. and very seldom purchasing a slave. What would be a good procedure to have a posted sale or auction... In the corks? or a public announcement such as in the tavern? How would the auction be carried out?

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:38:42 pm CDT
That would be up to the Council I think, but probable if the girl was of any value

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:38:56 pm CDT
That would be interesting Austin. It seems now they buy slaves when there is no other buyer, which is more humiliating for the girl

Master of one 14:39:32 pm CDT

Austin, I would propose that instead of being released a girl is sold to the Captains

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:39:51 pm CDT
answer to Austin's question

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:39:58 pm CDT
I agree with that Mo1

Master of one 14:40:35 pm CDT
That was why I asked the slaves thoughts on the GS collar

Austin - Scholar- 14:40:59 pm CDT
nods.. to both MO1 and
Bretval

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:41:11 pm CDT
I agree, #One... given that the Council wants the girl

Master of one 14:41:18 pm CDT
From rt perspective

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:41:49 pm CDT
Does ruby or ayli wish to comment on Mo1's idea?

Master of one 14:42:14 pm CDT

Bretval, I think they should always want the girl if a pledged Member is releasing her

Austin - Scholar- 14:42:25 pm CDT

If I remember right many girls are afraid of getting GS collars cause it is so difficult to be released if a Master and slave girl fall in favor with each other

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:42:56 pm CDT
ayli trying to come up with how to phrase how makes her feel in rt Jarl Randolph

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:42:58 pm CDT
in the end it is a complex topic

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:43:01 pm CDT
my Master
girl respectively offers no comment

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:43:21 pm CDT
yes, but you managed it Austin

Master of one 14:43:35 pm CDT
Austin... You're putting words in the girl's mouths
~ laughs

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:44:44 pm CDT
would the question be... Why is the Master releasing her?

Austin - Scholar- 14:45:20 pm CDT
Randolph it was a good intellectual gymnastics task... but when you do purchase the girl from GS she is so much more valuable to own... Hard work makes you appreciate what you have

Master of one 14:45:32 pm CDT
But to be honest I have heard the same...it's not so much being in the GS collar as it is getting out of it and into a personal one....but that could be a bit of protecting the girl as well from a bad choice

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:45:47 pm CDT

Well I can see the girls find this a difficult one to express their opinion/feelings.

Austin - Scholar- 14:46:08 pm CDT
LOL MO1... not really have heard to from several girl who were released.. there is a fear they have

Austin - Scholar- 14:46:36 pm CDT
MO1 you words are much better than mine.. well said

Master of one 14:46:40 pm CDT

I think that Bretval, should not be for public knowledge

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:47:43 pm CDT
also girls find it humiliating to be a gs slave, not wanted by a personal Master. Which is another issue that most slaves are personally owned

Master of one 14:47:52 pm CDT
Agreed Randolph.... Perhaps a discussion for them in slave class

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:48:28 pm CDT
I agree #One.. private between the Master and the Council...
not public

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:49:22 pm CDT
hmmm
ruby leads class this Wed...thinks on this

Master of one 14:50:07 pm CDT
an unfair stigma Randolph, in My opinion

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:50:20 pm CDT
any other comments ??

Master of one 14:51:11 pm CDT
I wonder if that comes from other slaves more than Masters

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:51:14 pm CDT
none from this one Jarl Randolph thank You for asking

Austin - Scholar- 14:51:19 pm CDT
such a difficult topic.. because I see Most Masters compassionate... and would never want to humiliated a slave girl.. That to me is a good trait in our Hhome... we care for others

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:51:41 pm CDT
yes, agreed, Mo1, but it is how the girls feel, perhaps, rather than the Masters. again they are urthern girls on earth

Austin - Scholar- 14:52:14 pm CDT
Nothing more Randolph..

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:52:25 pm CDT
same thinking Mo1

Master of one 14:52:39 pm CDT
none from Me, Randolph

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:52:52 pm CDT
nothing more from Me

Master of one 14:53:16 pm CDT

Whoever brought this up...good topic

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:54:41 pm CDT

Yes, an excellent and thought provoking topic. I will not even try to summarise as we only scratched the surface - perhaps it should be continued at tonight's Forum

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:54:49 pm CDT
Give credit to Austin, #One

Austin - Scholar- 14:56:02 pm CDT
well the topic is nothing .. it is Wwe who gave sincere and thought provoking ideas..

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:56:07 pm CDT
On that note I close EForum for this week

Thanks to A/all for attending and contributing to such a thought provoking topic

Kisses the scribe, and thinks a good topic for slave class

Austin - Scholar- 14:56:50 pm CDT
MO1 and Bretval because I am on vacation.. I may not be at four tonight .. maybe one of you can bring it up.. to see if there is any interest in the topic

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:57:28 pm CDT
thank You my Jarl for leading a thought inducing topic

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:57:52 pm CDT
thank You Jarl Randolph for leading
thank you ruby for scribing

Bretval {meral}: Scribe~ Warrior~Merchant 14:58:05 pm CDT
My thanks for leading Forum, Randolph
and as always My thanks to ruby for scribing

Austin - Scholar- 14:58:14 pm CDT
Thank you Randolph for leading such a tough topic..

and ruby for scribing... our thoughts

Master of one 14:58:23 pm CDT
Thank you for leading Randolph and providing such a beautiful scribe to stare at
~ winks

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:59:13 pm CDT
blushes hot to Master of one

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:00:15 pm CDT
always My pleasure to have such a stunning beauty on display for A/all to enjoy her charms

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:00:21 pm CDT
rolls up the parchment swiftly

as always a gift to serve my Jarls Home
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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..30-July-2017
« Reply #2 on: Aug 3rd, 2017, 3:30pm »

Having read the thread I thought I would mention a solution to the outrageous unlimited sums in bidding. It can get a bit complicated to compile and keep records, but I have seen a place that had set ways of coin being earned (one place by number of posts in the room over time). But coin could be "earned" in a number of ways. For example


One coin for each forum, book club attended
One coin for each slave class One's property attended
One coin for each post on the cork

This makes the bidding have a real element of cost and limit.
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