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xx Euro-Forum notes..26-November-2017
« Thread started on: Nov 29th, 2017, 10:28am »

attending:
Jarl Randolph
Master Austin
Master Frederick
Master LionHeart
Mistress Sophie

meral
ayli
naia
riss
ruby

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:25:08 pm CST
Looks around - if anyone has a topic for this evening then whisper it to Me. W/we will wait for a few ehn to see if others arrive

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:34:38 pm CST
Before we begin just a reminder of the rules

meral{Bretval} 13:35:25 pm CST
~turns her attention to Jarl~

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:35:56 pm CST
poises writing nib to finely milled rence parchment...listens carefully

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:36:13 pm CST
All are encouraged to participate and say whatever is in their minds

Always be polite

All greets to be in whispers once in session

No extraneous chit chat and keep to the point

ruby is scribing - so be kind to her

Frederick 13:36:40 pm CST
-steps in quietly-

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:36:52 pm CST
We have a topic - one moment

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:38:24 pm CST
Topic 1:

What does being branded mean to a girl? What is the psychological effect on the girl?


Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:39:06 pm CST
Looks at the slaves for first comment here

Austin - Scholar- 13:40:08 pm CST
Randolph I listen with great interest...

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 13:40:09 pm CST
ponders on the topic as girl thinks about it

~naia 13:40:40 pm CST
the brand is to designate the girl as a slave... which a collar does as well... but... obviously.... collar's can be removed.... the brand tho... is forever... it serves to always remind a girl of what she is....

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:41:20 pm CST
I listen too, Frederick. ruby, I know that she has been branded - any comments?

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:41:59 pm CST
it is easier to consider that one is merely property when a girl has been permanently marked like livestock....to ruby it has a deep psychological effect on ones soul

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 13:42:53 pm CST
the brand is shows that girl is a slave my Master often refers to it as a beauty mark while collar also shows it may be removed but the brand is permanent to a girl skin

Austin - Scholar- 13:44:02 pm CST
I know there are several kinds of brands... but reading the corks some Masters have used personal Brands.. It there a special significance to using a personal Brand.. and what is the psychy of the Master doing a personal Brand

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:44:04 pm CST
in todays world tattoos have taken the place of brands - women often like to have such in quiet personal places - showing a psychological need to be wanted - even loved??

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:44:05 pm CST
correct naia

a slave usually only gets branded once....as it usually does not indicate the Owner...only designates her status in nature

meral{Bretval} 13:44:37 pm CST
to be marked with her Masters brand is a forever reminder to mea of who she is

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 13:45:46 pm CST
this one didn't get a personal brand but the girl still treasures the brand or beauty mark

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:45:59 pm CST
I branded ruby with a personal brand, initial R on her lower left abdomen - I did that as I wanted it to be special to Me and to her

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:46:04 pm CST
Master Austin
a Master may of course brand His property any way He wishes

Austin - Scholar- 13:47:06 pm CST
Nods to ruby.. but is there a special thinking on the Master's mind in using His personal brand on his girl

meral{Bretval} 13:47:18 pm CST
just as in RT her tattoos were done for the same reason

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:48:09 pm CST
To Me, yes, Austin, I wanted her to be marked as Mine. Personal choice of the Master, of course

Austin - Scholar- 13:48:30 pm CST
Randolph may I ask is there significance to the place you used to put the R on ruby?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:49:00 pm CST
Agrees with mea's sentiments re RT

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:50:21 pm CST
yes, Austin, I wanted it to be special to her as well as to Me, something she would feel and see in personal moments.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:50:52 pm CST
a slave with a brand can still be freed....however the mark is permanent and there was no method ever mentioned in the books that would remove or alter it....if such a freed girl wishes to remain Free, she better ensure that her papers of manumission are kept handy...chuckles

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:51:56 pm CST
For LH and riss

Topic 1:

What does being branded mean to a girl? What is the psychological effect on the girl?

LionHeart of Old 13:52:12 pm CST
~reads~

I admit have done personal brands in the past when was "young" on Gor, but by the book brands were NOT personal -- collars were

Brands marked woman AS a slave --- collar as whose

Brand more like "make" and collar like "model"

riss {GS} 13:52:36 pm CST
Slipping in quietly for a few minutes
careful not to disturb the conversation...she whispers a greeting to Aall

LionHeart of Old 13:53:12 pm CST
And to the topic it is meant to be a SHOCK -- a change she can't escape

It is nothing "special" as the the owner but rather to her new state

meral{Bretval} 13:54:54 pm CST
mea considers her brand as very special, her Master designed it......mea is very honoured to wear her brand

~naia 13:55:49 pm CST
just in naia's opinion....

the personal brands seem to connect to the somewhat "monogamous" Gor has seemed to take in the last few years... it marks a girl as belonging to just the one, and in some cases the only girl He'll own....

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:57:04 pm CST
Agrees with LH re the books and the shock element

My motivation in going a personal brand was to shock her into being Mine and having something out of the ordinary. Gorean or not I always looked at ruby as being especially for Me.

riss {GS} 13:57:11 pm CST
To riss a brand is personal. It lasts..its a mark to show a girls place and commitment to a Master. And with that she has rt she has to go to.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:57:54 pm CST
lol. naia - took My thoughts exactly

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:57:54 pm CST
indeed mea agrees

it is well known a brand enhances a girls beauty...it instills her status in nature, that of slave...nothing more, nothing less

LionHeart of Old 13:57:55 pm CST
~Nods to naia~

Brands label a girl as a slut -- as nothing special -- as an object that can be bought, sold, traded, killed meant to be a reduction from what were -- now a collar that shows "Ownership" that is where a "difference" is

Austin - Scholar- 13:58:54 pm CST
Nods... with Randolph... and after reading several blogs on this topic it is mentioned it is not significant in the books.. but the emotional feelings and ties from it between the slave and her Master is significant

Austin - Scholar- 14:00:57 pm CST
Nods... to naia.. on her thoughts.. I have never branded a slave before.. but if and when I do. I think it would be more than what the books say

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:02:00 pm CST
yes, agrees Austin. This brings in the real vs pretend Gor. W/we cannot escape the fact W/we are urthen barbarians here - maybe wannabe Goreans of different levels - but stuck in O/our own culture.

Austin - Scholar- 14:02:06 pm CST
ayli your comment is well thought out

Austin - Scholar- 14:02:35 pm CST
Nods to Randolph

LionHeart of Old 14:03:15 pm CST
Generally speaking a Master does not brand a slave unless a direct capture and even then most use a specialist

And if a girl has been a slave the idea that she is not branded s absurd as IF would slip a collar no way to show she IS slave. For that reason ny Gorean Merchant Law for a slave to be sold must first be branded

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:04:42 pm CST
Interesting question LH - If I were to sell ruby would her brand be considered Gorean??

Austin - Scholar- 14:06:07 pm CST
LH should the branding be put in the corks as a record of History?

LionHeart of Old 14:07:44 pm CST
Though there are "generally used brands": dina, kef, one on the N done on belly, and a few others

That said as I understand from the books ANY brand marks a woman as a slut

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:09:03 pm CST
Yes, My understanding also LH - I had seen marks on the abdomen ( in the books ) before branding ruby

LionHeart of Old 14:09:08 pm CST
Corks are not a "Gorean" thing Austin -- though I know the WB at My home site make a girl post her: "slave papers" which are by the book

They contain how as enslaved, description, previous Owners, etc

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:09:44 pm CST
with a branding...the slut is often whipped at the same time

answering the questions, between every stroke

who owns you?
what is your purpose?
what is your name?

LionHeart of Old 14:10:40 pm CST
LOL also earrings are considered for only the most degraded (sexually exposed) slaves

I laugh when a FW now and again wears them -- should be IMMEDIATE steel
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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..26-November-2017
« Reply #1 on: Nov 29th, 2017, 11:21am »

Austin - Scholar- 14:11:14 pm CST
Nods after doing the research the past few days.. branding the abdomen is used.. but not often.. and in reading the corks I didn't know about branding racks..

It is usually at the whipping post.. in literature some times down with girl bounded to a tree stump.. but most are on a branding rack

Austin - Scholar- 14:12:28 pm CST
Thank you LH ... for your knowledge on this..

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:12:58 pm CST
being on the branding rack ensures absolute stillness of the girl so a good brand can be achieved

LionHeart of Old 14:13:01 pm CST
you are right ruby an initial beating is by the book -- questions not so much so

That said I personally depart from that general thing Myself as it seems to Me to beat a woman IF she is not fighting her steel seems like teaching the wrong lesson -- now if brand has not made her admit it -- that is a different matter

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:13:25 pm CST
indeed Master Lionheart
ruby has had the same thought...an FW with pierced ears..is a call for steel jewelry

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:13:28 pm CST
when this one was branded she was tied to the branding rack so girl would not ruin the brand once it was placed

Austin - Scholar- 14:14:50 pm CST
nods to ayli...

LionHeart of Old 14:14:55 pm CST
The north generally uses a stump or more often a log

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:15:56 pm CST
yes ayli, exactly

*Sophie...Gogane's English Rose* 14:16:42 pm CST
slips in quietly ad reads back

LionHeart of Old 14:16:49 pm CST
This is a form the WB use:

1. Slave name:

2. Previous slave

3.Current Owner:

4: collar (ie: {WB}):

5.Previous owners:

6.Date of initial enslavement:

7. Manner of initial enslavement (capture, judicial enslavement, debt, etc):

8. Endorsements (As slave is passed from one owner to another):

9. Bills of sale:

10:Hair color:

11. Eye color:

12. Weight(in pounds IC):

13. Height:

ATTRIBUTES

1. Skills & Training:

2. Pedigree (if bred slave):

3. Literate or Illiterate:

4. Type of brand:

5. Ears - pierced or no:

6. Status - Red silk, yellow Silk, or white silk:

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:17:28 pm CST
to ruby it is important to show the white iron to the slave...instilling in her, her place among Men...forever

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:17:49 pm CST
For Sophie

Topic 1:

What does being branded mean to a girl? What is the psychological effect on the girl?

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:18:15 pm CST
wonders what girl would put for eye color and hair color blushes they both naturally change

Austin - Scholar- 14:18:57 pm CST
Wonders if that form would be useful in GS?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:19:11 pm CST
Very interesting and comprehensive, LH

meral{Bretval} 14:19:18 pm CST
if mea may ask.....what is WB please Master LionHeart

*Sophie...Gogane's English Rose* 14:19:19 pm CST
checks My ears....mmm...no earrings or piercings here...grins at LionHeart

Austin - Scholar- 14:19:48 pm CST
smiles at ayli.. well your beauty just changes and your Master enjoys that

LionHeart of Old 14:20:07 pm CST
~laughing loudly on question on WB~

I will try to explain

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:21:25 pm CST
blushes deep red yes Master Austin

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:21:40 pm CST
it is Gorean Merchant Law...for every slave to have papers stating her attributes

*Sophie...Gogane's English Rose* 14:22:13 pm CST
no marks on My Person......I checked when bathing...chuckles neath veil

meral{Bretval} 14:22:43 pm CST
Thank you ruby....mea did not know that

*Sophie...Gogane's English Rose* 14:23:17 pm CST
as I always understood it...a brand just denotes a woman as slave.....when a slave is freed...mmmm...the brand remains.

Austin - Scholar- 14:24:07 pm CST
Chuckles.. just wait Sophie.. ages brings on marks.. LOL.. all natural

*Sophie...Gogane's English Rose* 14:24:50 pm CST
wicked chuckles with Austin.....well there are marks..and...err laughter lines?...*winks*

LionHeart of Old 14:24:59 pm CST
WB is the name of a group of HARD CORE Goreans that play Raiders called: "The Wolf Brothers" they are almost as old as a group as vt Gor itself

They have been centered for a long time at soi/jag/gor in hyperchat, but pre-date I believe even it

Blade was/is one

Kancho, Timberwolf, Renegade, Stray Wolf,Wihite Wold, Sensi, etc are older names (some dead)

They are the hard asses of the bad asses -- as raiders would they cheat, lie, raid, rape, kill and are proud of it

*Sophie...Gogane's English Rose* 14:26:19 pm CST
They sound a fun bunch LionHeart

I think I will give them a miss

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:27:01 pm CST
How big are their numbers now LH?

meral{Bretval} 14:27:03 pm CST
Thank You Master LionHeart for the explanation

LionHeart of Old 14:28:36 pm CST
It varies I would say 8-10 --- but once a wolf pretty much always a wolf

If you count Wolf Women and slaves I would guess around 2 dozen

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:28:40 pm CST
to ruby
every time she sees, touches, or thinks about her Masters mark...she is reminded of her status...a symbol of her position and her ultimate duties, of what she is, Who owns every part of her fibre

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:29:31 pm CST
Maybe we should invite them into GS

LionHeart of Old 14:30:21 pm CST
They are dangerous even if One understands them -- but knowing them for what they are helps

I fell afoul of them for about 6 years and was hunted -- I survived and now there is a respect between Us

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:30:55 pm CST
looks at ruby - the second brand was to impress those feelings further

LionHeart of Old 14:31:12 pm CST
No Randolph -- they "as Raiders" would not pay attention to the Homes rules or ways at all

Austin - Scholar- 14:31:33 pm CST
I must have missed it.. Randolph.. 2nd Brand??

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:32:16 pm CST
her eyes clouded with tears

yes my Jarl..remembers that special day...the tapestry woven as Oone

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:33:21 pm CST
Austin - on the first anniversary of the branding I placed a second brand, an r , beneath and between the legs of the R.

meral{Bretval} 14:33:31 pm CST
doesn't sound as if They would need an invite Jarl

Austin - Scholar- 14:34:02 pm CST
Thank you Randolph for sharing.. nice touch for an anniversary date

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:34:28 pm CST
I can see that LH - but would liven GS up a bit - Sophie could see them off !!!!!

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:35:08 pm CST
yes my Jarl
the day You deemed ruby as Your love slave...nestles close

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:35:46 pm CST
right mea - surprised they haven't raided us

*Sophie...Gogane's English Rose* 14:35:51 pm CST

Well....I have had a luv hate relationship with Blade for years Randolph...chuckles.....We seem to enjoy playing cat and mouse now...smiles rt

one day............I might just catch Him!...slaps thighs laughing

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:36:59 pm CST
lol, Sophie - wondering which is the cat??

*Sophie...Gogane's English Rose* 14:37:27 pm CST
taps nose softly...now that would be telling Randolph...grins

LionHeart of Old 14:37:33 pm CST
angelfire.com/fl/SENSEI1109/gorpage.html

They have their own webpage -- they are "bigger" by themselves than GS in terms of #s and web presence

LionHeart of Old 14:38:43 pm CST
Though it needs be updated -- it seems to be about 2 years since that happened as many listed are now dead vt

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:39:03 pm CST
it should be mentioned too...there are penalty brands..added to punish a girl but their intent is not show a girl's slavery or identify her Owner

LionHeart of Old 14:39:44 pm CST
That is true ruby and generally when there is more than one brand that is what is going on

Austin - Scholar- 14:42:44 pm CST
I have never seen a punishment Brand in GS...

LionHeart of Old 14:42:51 pm CST
Well, Sophie -- I know blade does not have a pussy(cat) -- you -- ~LOL~

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:43:03 pm CST
Any other comments on this topic?

meral{Bretval} 14:43:17 pm CST
liar, thief or traitor brands

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:43:41 pm CST
none from ayli Jarl thank You for asking

meral{Bretval} 14:44:03 pm CST
nothing from mea thank You Jarl

Austin - Scholar- 14:44:04 pm CST
Now just a quick question.. in stead of banning a person like a slave for dueling.. would a punishment brand be suitable instead

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:44:26 pm CST
nothing more from Your beast of burden, my Jarl

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:44:31 pm CST
yes mea, thinks those brands are visible for all to easily see

*Sophie...Gogane's English Rose* 14:44:35 pm CST
this Cat has claws LionHeart...grins...and a few poison pins up My sleeves...chuckles

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:45:23 pm CST
imho ..Master Austin...that is an issue for the esteemed Captains

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:45:44 pm CST
could be Austin

Austin - Scholar- 14:45:48 pm CST
Nods.. to ruby your are right

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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..26-November-2017
« Reply #2 on: Nov 29th, 2017, 11:28am »

Austin - Scholar- 14:47:28 pm CST
Was thinking if branded for punishment like duel in girl's tag line would be effective as a punishment.. and not just banned..thinking aloud

LionHeart of Old 14:47:37 pm CST
I agree on Captains issue, but I have found making a slave a coin girl and insisting she serve so many (even strangers) is good punishment -- it humbles a girl

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:47:39 pm CST
Well on that note I close EForum for this week

Thank you all for attending and contributing to what has been a most interesting discussion

Thanks LH for your informative comments

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:48:00 pm CST
Kisses the Scribe for her work

LionHeart of Old 14:48:20 pm CST
And have made girls where such "signs" on tags

*Sophie...Gogane's English Rose* 14:48:34 pm CST
thankyou for keeping us all in order Randolph and for Your girl ruby scribing...soft smiles

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:48:44 pm CST
thank You my Jarl for leading an insightful topic..kiss

Austin - Scholar- 14:49:15 pm CST
thank you for leading Randolph
ruby thank you for scribing

meral{Bretval} 14:49:16 pm CST
Thank You for leading Jarl Randolph

Austin - Scholar- 14:50:06 pm CST
next week Randolph is game week??

thank you for scribing ruby

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:50:23 pm CST
thank You Jarl Randolph for leading

thank you ruby for scribing

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:51:11 pm CST
Yes, we will have a game evening next week. I will post to the corks to remind everyone

We will alternate EForum/Games until Christmas

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:52:33 pm CST
rolls up the scared scroll swiftly

as always a privilege to serve my Jarls Home
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xx Re: Euro-Forum notes..26-November-2017
« Reply #3 on: Nov 30th, 2017, 8:58pm »

~reading the notes, she digs out the public nub of a writing stick
allowed and writes in small script with assistance from a short, pink tongue protruding out, past full lips~


this one begs pardon, it has been a decade or so since this one has read the books, therefore she is likely mistaken...

...but she believes that Slavers also had a "personal/house" brand...of course this one can not quote a passage to that effect...


~winks to Jarl Randolph and His precious one~



...anyway, this one thinks the meaning of the brand, regardless of the situation in which it was burnt into a slave's flesh means different things to different Free and slave...and that, in turn, is Gorean in the Homestone kind of way...

~whispering~

The books, too, are a slim snapshot...this one believes that leaves a whole lot of wiggle room...after all Tarl was urthern born and did things His own way...

this one hopes A/all remains happy and well...

~leaving a kiss for her Master's whip or pleasure~
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