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xx Euro Forum notes - 21 January 2018
« Thread started on: Jan 21st, 2018, 4:16pm »

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Jarl Randolph - Moderator
Master Bretval
Master Austin
Master of one

riss{GS}
sura{Austin}
naia{Frederick}
tamara{Kyoto}
ayli{Dak}
ruby{Randolph}~t - scribe

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:25:05 pm CST
We will begin EForum in a few moments, give time for others to join.

If there is a topic then whisper to me now.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:30:23 pm CST
poises nib to finely milled rence parchment..listens intently

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:31:49 pm CST
OK, We have a topic.

The usual rules of politeness, keeping to the point, no extraneous chit chat and all greetings to be kept in whispers

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:32:08 pm CST
Oh, and be kind to ruby who is scribing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:32:23 pm CST

dark eyes lift to my Jarl

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:33:05 pm CST
Topic 1 :

Would a Euro time for the slaves to meet be of benefit to those outside the US time zone?

tamara{Kyoto} 13:34:50 pm CST
euro time normally works better for me and i'm in the US time zone.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:35:58 pm CST
this was raised a while back. Numbers were low at the time. At present we have 4 in Europe - but others could join, as they are here now at a Euro time

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 13:36:04 pm CST
ayli thinks that they can be beneficial for both euro and the ones who cant make to the US one

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:37:14 pm CST
this topic has been brought  forth before..imho yes..ofcourse all kajirae are welcomed around the world ..smiles brightly to tami

riss{GS} 13:37:37 pm CST
riss agrees with ayli

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:38:25 pm CST
well on that basis we have a possible 7 already, including ruby

What minimum is needed to make something work?

Bretval {meral}: 13:38:29 pm CST
fg flicka is planning to have all the girl's leading a slave class... including My meral but the standard time is impossible for mea so she suggested a Saturday or Sunday for the UK girls if more NA slaves could attend

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:39:16 pm CST
now up to 8 with riss

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:39:53 pm CST
the first girl over the last year has been having different girls lead...that has worked out well

Bretval {meral}: 13:42:29 pm CST
I certainly think 5 or more would make it workable

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:42:49 pm CST
If the fg has it in hand then it sounds as if it is a done deal

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 13:43:42 pm CST
there been US classes where there only been 4 at times

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:44:01 pm CST
true enough ayli

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:44:06 pm CST
No doubt the fg will raise it with the Council

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:44:52 pm CST
I have always felt it would help in attracting girls from this side of the pond if there was a time friendly Meeting

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 13:45:31 pm CST
I agree with Randolph

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:45:42 pm CST
Everyone seems positive to this idea. Any other comments?

tamara{Kyoto} 13:46:23 pm CST
-just listens quietly-

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:46:54 pm CST
indeed my Jarl..if an e-slave class is desired on a continual ongoing basis...a Council decision would be needed

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:47:05 pm CST
Tal Mo1 the topic

Topic 1 :

Would a Euro time for the slaves to meet be of benefit to those outside the US time zone?

Bretval {meral}: 13:47:27 pm CST
naturally it is 5 am time for flicka so it would fall on ruby or tamara to run the normal classes.. but once a month should be possible

Master of one 13:47:35 pm CST
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Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:48:58 pm CST
If it was begun on a monthly basis it could always be extended if popular.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:49:52 pm CST
as her trainer..mea is also fully knowledgeable to lead on a continuing basis..however she may need to be tested by the Slave Master

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 13:49:57 pm CST
Once a month maybe hard to remember.. It should be publicized several day before as a reminder

tamara{Kyoto} 13:51:31 pm CST
-soft shake of head, she wouldn't lead a class-

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:51:41 pm CST
Yes, makes sense, Austin

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:51:43 pm CST
thats very true Master Austin..if approved ruby would suggest weekly

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:52:43 pm CST
The details would be sorted out by the fg

Bretval {meral}: 13:53:11 pm CST
on what day of the week, ruby?

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 13:53:11 pm CST
when this one has lead class teacher habit kicks in not sure why

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 13:53:31 pm CST
Or email reminders to the girls.... and possible acknowledgement if they plan to attend or not

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:55:01 pm CST
Master Bretval
snowrose led an informal class Sat mornings..worked out well

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:56:10 pm CST
that would be am in NA and pm here in Europe

Bretval {meral}: 13:57:09 pm CST
very well ... it will depend on all the girls agreeing on aSaturday... can be a problem in the middle of the day though

tamara{Kyoto} 13:57:27 pm CST
-listens silently-

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 13:59:17 pm CST
Looks to sura.. if possible will she be able to attend periodically?

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:59:34 pm CST
certain details can be worked out Master Bretval

girl hopes the Council agrees

at first EForum was not accepted well..fear of factions forming etc..however EForum has been a success

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:59:39 pm CST
10 am GS time is 4 pm UK time.

If it is tried out then reviewed and amended if necessary

sura{Austin} 14:01:15 pm CST
Yes Master... she’d be delighted to learn from mea and her other sisters and Saturday morning works for her.. perhaps not every week but she will try.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:02:34 pm CST
Any other comments??

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:03:06 pm CST
none from this one Jarl

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:03:37 pm CST
Nods... I think the more you can learn from your sisters from as many possible the better you can learn

Bretval {meral}: 14:03:40 pm CST
that is the problem then... mea works till 5 on Saturdays and Sundays... which day vary... so is this class primarily for Euro or NA?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:05:22 pm CST
As a Summary it seems everyone is in favour of having an Eslave class, maybe once a month.

It also seems the NA girls would attend to make it a success.

fg also seems positive, so she will need to obtain Council permission and then set it up. No doubt others will help her.

sura{Austin} 14:05:51 pm CST
this girl agrees Master... she is most eager to learn.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:06:21 pm CST
Master Bretval
like eforum..thinking all slaves would be welcome..that said, timing would need to be brought forth that accommodates euro-slaves best

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:06:51 pm CST
well stated Master Austin

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:06:54 pm CST
It would need to be ok for the Euro girls - maybe 7:30pm UK time - 1:30 pm GS time.

Bretval {meral}: 14:07:51 pm CST
So My mea is out because she cannot be home before 6...

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:08:42 pm CST
I would agree it would be a time for Euro girls that is good for them... and NA girls can come

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:10:12 pm CST
Maybe the fg could discuss with all the girls at a slave class the issues arising and come to the optimum solution

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:10:38 pm CST
the timings can be hashed out with the first girl ..and what best suits the euro kajirae

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:11:57 pm CST
Now this is naive on my part but how many Euro girls are now currently in GS

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:12:36 pm CST
first on the agenda, imho would be gathering consent from the Captains

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:13:21 pm CST
Master Austin..six to eight at any given time

Bretval {meral}: 14:13:23 pm CST
K will discuss it with meral... and wee that is possible

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:13:39 pm CST
I make it 4, Austin. There are some Euro girls in PS who may be interested in attending. they could be invited.

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:14:51 pm CST
That would be good to have more

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:15:48 pm CST
OK, we seem to be all in favour of this - Thinks there is enough to be read on the Scribe for fg and Council to have a feeling for the views.

Bretval {meral}: 14:15:53 pm CST
the suggest came from the flicka at have mea lead at least one class

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:16:12 pm CST
yes Master Austin..its always good for the Home to flourish...one of course can be a free neck to attend class

sura{Austin} 14:16:42 pm CST
great to have more kajirae around at any time.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:16:43 pm CST
oh, make that 5 from Europe - did not know one other girl was from here

tamara{Kyoto} 14:16:49 pm CST
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xx Re: Euro Forum notes - 21 January 2018
« Reply #1 on: Jan 21st, 2018, 5:04pm »

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:17:18 pm CST
imho, Master Bretval...mea could lead every class..she is fully qualified

riss{GS} 14:17:56 pm CST
listens quietly thinking...

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:18:09 pm CST
That topic seemed to attract a lot of interest.

Will now move on to the next Topic - one moment

Bretval {meral}: 14:18:11 pm CST
yes she is

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:19:26 pm CST
Bretval mea leading would grow from it also.. she is such a good respected slave girl she brings honor to you

Bretval {meral}: 14:20:47 pm CST
~nodding to Austin~ indeed se does

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:20:47 pm CST
Topic 2:

What does a personal owned slave do when she hasn't seen nor heard from Him for near 6 months, but yet the council won't do anything?

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:21:45 pm CST
scratches head trying to understand topic

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:22:20 pm CST
Topic 2:

What does a personally owned slave do when she hasn't seen nor heard from her Master for nearly 6 months, but yet the council won't do anything?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:22:42 pm CST
Ooops sorry, reworded - hopes it is clearer

sura{Austin} 14:23:48 pm CST
Can the council verify - and declare- if a Free or slave is lost in thassa?

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:23:52 pm CST
personally ruby would bring the matter forth to first girl..and then the fg would approach the Slave Master to figure out if a slave was abandoned

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:24:03 pm CST
If she has petitioned the Council then she needs to exercise patience.

That is the stock answer but can see she has worries/issues

Bretval {meral}: 14:24:38 pm CST
You mean something like this, Randolph

"Is it time to reconsider the make-up of the Council as it stands? At what point should a Captain be reduced to a Captain Emeritus because, for whatever reason, He cannot regularly take part in life in Gorean Shores? Jarl Thorrn is an example ... When His RT duties became such that He could no longer regularly take part in GS He stepped down to a status of Captain Emeritus."

tamara{Kyoto} 14:25:20 pm CST
-simply listens silently-

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:25:46 pm CST
We have seen this a few times.. and it is really difficult for the girl

To me I would never just disappear from sura.... I know extenuating circumstances happen.. but with today's means to communicate.. I would never let sura be alone wondering what has happened.. somehow or someway I would communicate to her.. it is to me the honorable and respectful thing to do.. but also... it is the love you show to your girl... after all you collared her for a reason... and she committed to you.. the Master then needs to reciprocate

Bretval {meral}: 14:25:55 pm CST

Only extend it to the slaves as well?

tamara{Kyoto} 14:26:05 pm CST
and Jarl what does the girl do if she is basically told that nothing will be done because of who her Owner is?

riss{GS} 14:26:22 pm CST
This one thinks that the slave would jsut have to wait to hear back from her Master and keep trying to reach out to Him if possible. it may suck to wait and not hear anything back for a period of time but what else can be done?

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:26:59 pm CST
In that case, Bretval, my understanding is he communicated that to the Council - if someone has 'disappeared' then an adequate time needs to be given.

~naia {Frederick} 14:27:46 pm CST
if it cant be proved that He is "lost at sea"... but the girl simply wishes to move on in her chat slave life, couldn't she petition to be released from the collar? and shouldn't the council make a timely effort to do so? this is online and one would think that a girl cant be "made" to remain in a collar she doesn't wish to be in

sura{Austin} 14:28:08 pm CST
eyes brimming with joy, looks up to her Master, brushing soft cheek to his knee lovingly - thank you so much my Master. this girl hope she is worthy of your love, trust and honor.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:29:55 pm CST
tamara, in my view it is should not be who the Owner is but whether there are circumstances where he may ( or may not ) return. Presumably if it is considered he will not return then another decision would need to be made.

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:30:42 pm CST
I can't imagine any Master here today in this forum would do that to their girl... I know each desire.. respect and love their girl like no other in their life VT or RT

Bretval {meral}: 14:31:25 pm CST
All in all there are a few problem that need to be addressed

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:31:25 pm CST
listens to the Free quietly

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:31:53 pm CST
quietly listens

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:32:08 pm CST
Without wishing to be overly morbid I can think of scenarios where that may happen

~naia {Frederick} 14:32:52 pm CST
with all due respect Jarl... it's understandable if it's not known whether or not a Master will return... but... why should a girl be made to be unhappy due to this? and assuming this is a paying member.. why should she be subjected to just sit around and wait.. month after month unable to participate as she'd like to because of this... there's a point where a decision should be made... naia realized Gor isn't fair... but... in some cases.. there needs to be a sense of fairness to an individual who is unhappy

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:33:26 pm CST
I know I am speaking out on this .. but I always ask what is the honorable or respectful thing a Master should do.. Again I know the are extenuating circumstances.. with sickness but again.. word can get to the slave to ease her worry and pain.. same goes with a slave girl who disappears

~naia {Frederick} 14:34:02 pm CST
perhaps nais seems to outspoken on the issue... but having been once "abandoned" herself.... she understands where a girl is coming from

Bretval {meral}: 14:34:27 pm CST
well said naia

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:34:29 pm CST
I don't disagree naia, just a difference on what is an acceptable time and the individual circumstances

tamara{Kyoto} 14:34:55 pm CST
and what is considered an "adequate of time"? a month, two months, a year, two years?

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:36:04 pm CST
I agree with naia

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:36:49 pm CST
If there was always a fixed time, tamara, there wouldn't be an issue. I can see her situation is unpleasant.

~naia {Frederick} 14:37:43 pm CST
understandable again Jarl.. but if it has already been months... and again.. an individual is unhappy.... is it hardly right that the Council simply makes her sit and suffer?

Bretval {meral}: 14:37:47 pm CST
I would think from 4 to 6 mints at the max... but again it comes back to the Council

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:37:54 pm CST
naia - this is the place to be outspoken

~naia {Frederick} 14:39:01 pm CST
just this slaves opinion... but 3 months is a great amount of time... and to double that.. unthinkable

Bretval {meral}: 14:39:47 pm CST
and it should be retroactive

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:41:07 pm CST
And as long months pass it presents the fact of a delimma for the girl.. to be totally committed to the unknown or succumb to temptation... neither is a happy scenario

tamara{Kyoto} 14:41:20 pm CST
if a slave went missing for quite some time, they would classify her as a run away. there would be no question of it, there is always a chance to get a word, a single message. so why must a slave sit, because she's a slave and it slowly comes across quite clear that the emotions and feelings don't matter.

riss{GS} 14:42:24 pm CST
listens quietly

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:43:07 pm CST
places her hand on tami's shoulder with empathy in her heart

~naia {Frederick} 14:43:30 pm CST
it's understandable that there are unfortunate circumstances surrounding the matter... but the thing that is most disappointing is that it's allowed to continue... no one should be forced to be unhappy

just naia's opinion

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:43:39 pm CST
I can, of course, see the dilemma.

No doubt the Captains will read the Scribe of this and take note of all the comments and feelings.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:45:58 pm CST
Any other comments??I

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:48:05 pm CST
nothing more my Master

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:48:23 pm CST
Nothing more Randolph

sura{Austin} 14:48:23 pm CST
not from this girl, Jarl.



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xx Re: Euro Forum notes - 21 January 2018
« Reply #2 on: Jan 21st, 2018, 5:13pm »

Bretval {meral}: 14:48:43 pm CST
"Is it time to reconsider the make-up of the Council as it stands? At what point should a Captain be reduced to a Captain Emeritus because, for whatever reason, He cannot regularly take part in life in Gorean Shores? And His slave should be allowed remove His collar.

Bretval {meral}: 14:49:46 pm CST
A change to take into account tamara's situation

Bretval {meral}: 14:52:41 pm CST
~wry grin~ Of course that depends on the Captains leading the Forum... since He decides if the topic is posted

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:53:09 pm CST
A good question, Bretval

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:55:35 pm CST
Bretval, I never refused a topic or censor one.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:57:23 pm CST
I think all that can be said on this has been said - The scribe will be published for all to read?

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 14:58:13 pm CST
Randolph.. I just enjoy Eforum... because the demeanor is so different ... and there is little dead time .... Night is good but at times... it drags.. and also sometimes the demeanor gets a little rankled

Bretval {meral}: 14:58:13 pm CST
Well this one is rather delicate... could bet Me threatened with banishment again

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:01:03 pm CST
lol, Bretval.

From my perspective EForum is for all to put topics and contribute in full honesty without fear of hiding there true feelings beliefs. As long as it is done in a polite manner then I see no reason why there should be any repercussions.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 15:02:22 pm CST
On that note I close EForum for this week.

Thanks to A/all for attending, putting the Topics and being forthright and open.

Kisses the Scribe

~naia {Frederick} 15:02:50 pm CST
naia tries her best to always remain respectful..... no matter how hard it is when she feels very passionately about something

Austin - Scholar- {sura} 15:03:00 pm CST
thank you Randolph for leading..
thank you ruby for scribing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:03:15 pm CST
thank You my Master for leading..kisses tenderly

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 15:03:54 pm CST
Thank You Jarl Randolph for leading

thank you ruby for scribing

Bretval {meral}: 15:04:03 pm CST
My thanks to you for leading the discussion, ?Randolph
and My thanks to ruby for scribing

sura{Austin} 15:05:40 pm CST
sura thanks Jarl Randolph for leading a great forum and His precious ruby for scribing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 15:05:41 pm CST
rolls up the scribe, as always girl is grateful to serve her Masters Home in this fashion
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