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xx Euro Forum notes - 04-February-2018
« Thread started on: Feb 5th, 2018, 4:27pm »

attending:
Jarl Keeper
Jarl Randolph - Moderator
Master Kazar
Masfer Bretval

karinda{GS}
meral{Bretval}
sura{Austin}
ayli{Dak}
sei{Kazar}
naia{Frederick}
tamara{Kyoto}
ruby{Randolph}~t - scribe

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:34:40 pm CST
Ok we will begin Forum - if there are any topics then please whisper to Me - we all know the rules, including being kind to the scribe

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:34:53 pm CST
poises writing stick nib to finely milled rence parchment..listens intently

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:36:29 pm CST
We have a topic: Apparently the girls in slave class were encouraged to forward likely topics to the Captains email address. This is one of them - I am keeping it anonymous, as always.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:37:30 pm CST
Topic 1:

1. Is fear essential for a gorean slave? Are there negative and positive kinds of fear?
2. How do Masters and slaves think and feel about addressing the slaves with terms such as ‘little one”, “ little girl”, “ slut”, etc. how gorean they are? and what they imply?

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:39:42 pm CST
ruby thinks..fear can be an incredible aphrodisiac

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 13:40:42 pm CST
Fear factor keeps one on thier toes. To please the free if not they know the consequences

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:40:44 pm CST
There are both positive and negative kinds of fear - positive is it keeps one on yes toes, being careful not to stray from the norms. Negative if it causes one to freeze and not participate

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:41:07 pm CST
cares not what a girl is called..the Free address how they please

meral{Bretval} 13:41:36 pm CST

mea has a fear of disappointing her Master but that is all, mea has never feared her Master.

As to what my Master calls mea.....it is totally up to my Master

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:42:30 pm CST
As W/we are a Gorean site we follow gorean norms - girls were called many things in the books, tasty pudding being a favourite of mine

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:42:48 pm CST
I think having a bit of an edge in a Gorean relationship is very important. As we are fond of saying this is not Disneyland.

As to names;
I often use "little ones" as I am larger that most slaves, it is way to place emphasis on My size and power.

"little girl" - Never in Gor

"Slut" - Never publicly, but that is My choice and how I choose to use words.

sura{Austin} 13:42:54 pm CST
a girl thinks a slaves who feels safe, secure and sure that her Master has her best interest at heart can thrive and grow
Yet.. the worse fear for a slave is to be found displeasing or to bring Shame and dishonor to her Master’s name

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:43:19 pm CST
exactly mea
once again, you hit the nail on the head...the fear of not being deemed pleasing

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 13:44:49 pm CST
~I stand and quietly leave not wishing to disturb Forum, muttering and cursing work/RT as I go.~

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 13:45:42 pm CST
1)I always found then idea of having a slave in a constant condition of fear foolish... if a slave earns punishment then punish her... otherwise enjoy the time with her

2) I have no problem with using those terms... this is Gor ... not politically correct Hollywood

meral{Bretval} 13:47:16 pm CST
How could a girl give her best if she was always living in fear?

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:47:42 pm CST
sura..agrees

we turn our whole selves over to our Masters...Their trust to know what is best for Their slave ..is a huge responsibility

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 13:48:17 pm CST
for this one fear been a big thing lately however whatever pleases the Free to call her girl is okay with

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:50:28 pm CST
good question..mea

sura{Austin} 13:50:43 pm CST
nods to the wise words of the Free and sisters-

tamara{Kyoto} 13:50:55 pm CST
-listening quietly-

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 13:51:07 pm CST
And of course the answers to the questions may depend totally on the Master... again His choice

karinda {GS} 13:52:07 pm CST
karinda fear not bring good enough...that ...to her is an example of a negative fear.

Some fear is good....fear to do something wrong....a slave tries harfer and behaves better

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:52:29 pm CST
thing is , its a Masters right to trade or sell a slave..there needs not be a reason, may just be a whim....thus fear can settle deep into the psyche


Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:54:02 pm CST
Hopefully slave class is a good area for girly talk to vent some of the 'fear' problems girls have. Also to help build confidence.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:54:38 pm CST
well stated kar..nodding..there are many types of fear that affect slaves

karinda {GS} 13:55:02 pm CST
Nods

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 13:55:13 pm CST
Randolph and help bond their sisterhood

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:55:37 pm CST
yes, that too Kazar

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:56:29 pm CST
any other comments??

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 13:57:06 pm CST
none from this one Jarl

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 13:57:07 pm CST
yes it is, ruby... but why worry about it until it happens... waste of time and energy spend time thinking about all the possibilies...

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 13:58:02 pm CST
When you think too much is one mistakes happen

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:58:07 pm CST
my Jarl, fear is a topic in class often..its so relevant to a slave mental health

ruby~{Randolph}~t 13:59:03 pm CST
Master Bretval..agrees..sometimes the easiest lessons are the hardest to learn

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 13:59:31 pm CST
that is another issue, ruby, if a girl has mental health issues with GS it is questionable as to whether this is the right place for her

sura{Austin} 14:00:24 pm CST
often the fear is not from a Free but within the girl’s heart.. fear of failure, fear of trust, fear of opening up completely and being exposed , etc

karinda {GS} 14:00:29 pm CST
Looks down and contemplates Jarl Randolph's words

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:01:02 pm CST
nods my Jarl
Gor is harsh..one must show patience and have a thick hide

meral{Bretval} 14:01:15 pm CST
very good points sura

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:02:35 pm CST
there it is ....ruby was waiting for that sura..."being exposed" and vulnerable

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:03:03 pm CST
sura fear us a state of mind.

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:03:22 pm CST
sometimes fear also comes when a situation happens

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:04:08 pm CST
Understood, sura... but those are things that should be discussed with your Master... in My thinking it is the duty to care for Him property.. in all ways

meral{Bretval} 14:04:24 pm CST
and with the right Master sura.....all those fears float away as Yyour a Journey progresses

sura{Austin} 14:04:44 pm CST
indeed Master Kazar and girl believes one aspect of flourishing as a slave is to overcome those negative and often deeply rooted types of fear

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:07:07 pm CST
agree sura, opening up oneself completely is liberating and can cast out fear - with the right Master

sura{Austin} 14:07:15 pm CST
yes Master Bretval... girl agrees.. though she was only bringing up examples.. personally perhaps she has often had fear of failure... but not excessively, enough to encourage her to try her best and go above and beyond -smiles-

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:07:23 pm CST
still fears and always will, being deemed a sour disappointment

sura{Austin} 14:08:56 pm CST
nods, exactly, Jarl.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:09:52 pm CST
Another comments?

meral{Bretval} 14:10:22 pm CST
none from mea thank You Jarl

sura{Austin} 14:10:44 pm CST
not from sura, Jarl.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:10:57 pm CST
bows her head
nothing further from Your slut, my Jarl

karinda {GS} 14:11:15 pm CST
Not from karinda Jarl

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:11:47 pm CST
A good discussion: We seem to all have similar views overall. As a Summary to the main question in the topic I repeat what Bretval said:

1)I always found then idea of having a slave in a constant condition of fear foolish... if a slave earns punishment then punish her... otherwise enjoy the time with her

2) I have no problem with using those terms... this is Gor ... not politically correct Hollywood

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:12:51 pm CST
perhaps Wwe are using the language too strictly, sura... wanting not to disappoint a Master should as you say want to be the best you can be... a healthy attitude... but to live in fear of disappointing at all times is most unhealthy... as I see it

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:12:51 pm CST
I have another topic, one moment

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:14:32 pm CST
~turning to Randolph
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xx Re: Euro Forum notes - 04-February-2018
« Reply #1 on: Feb 5th, 2018, 4:59pm »

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:14:38 pm CST
Topic 2:

What are the frees responsibility here? To their own slaves and to other slaves.

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:15:58 pm CST
quietly listens

karinda {GS} 14:16:00 pm CST
Listens to the Free as they answer.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:18:33 pm CST
For the first part, the Free have a responsibility to the Home as a while, to protect it from outsiders who may mean harm, to endeavour to keep a harmony that enables it to thrive.

meral{Bretval} 14:19:23 pm CST
~listens~

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:21:13 pm CST
We are responsible fir our home protect Our Slaves

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:21:34 pm CST
We have to remember that this is Gor and accordingly can be very rough at times. However, I do believe there is a responsibility for the free to give protection to the slaves in a general way, being firm on the one hand but accommodating on the other

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:22:23 pm CST
agree Kazar, you are much more concise than me - lol

sura{Austin} 14:22:55 pm CST
-listens to the Free-

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:23:06 pm CST
some would think it is easy to be the Master, to hold all the power...but with great power comes great responsibility

He must be of strong character, true to His own code, lives are in His hands...however a Master
is human, too...so it takes great control to wield that power properly.

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:23:07 pm CST
Slaves are valuable property to be cared for... the same as any property the Master owns... with the addition recognition the slaves are thinking beings and that should be taken into account

And I include any and all slaves in that comment...

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:25:46 pm CST
Randolph lo, maybe

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:26:37 pm CST
As to the responsibility to Our Home... that goes without saying... *grin* after 6 years it is engrained in My soul

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:26:44 pm CST
agrees with both Bretval and ruby.

The responsibility of a Master is the same to all slaves, both personal and others. There is a deeper responsibility with a personally owned slave as the relationship is much deeper and one has to consider the feelings/needs of the girl to a far greater degree, as one does begin to really understand them.

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:27:32 pm CST
gemstone that comes with lot if self confidence

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:28:28 pm CST
The free have 0ledged themselves with their life to our home protect. And honor it

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:29:38 pm CST
invites the girls to pitch in with their comments/views

sura{Austin} 14:30:29 pm CST
To be honorable, fair and just in their actions and decisions, to protect, educate, set an example ...
very hard responsibilities, girl believes, and the Masters of this home live up to it in perfection.

meral{Bretval} 14:31:11 pm CST
thinks my Master, Jarl and Master Kazar have all spoken very wise words

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:31:18 pm CST
nods Master Kazar
thinks a girl has self confidence..however thats for my Jarl to discern..she still fears...for it can be taken from her in an instant

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:34:19 pm CST
there is a difference between self confidence and over confidence. Can be a fine line that would not be crossed.

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:34:46 pm CST
~warm smile to sura~ We do try, sura

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:35:31 pm CST
likes the comments of the girls - always so perceptive !!!!!!!

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:36:47 pm CST
any other comments?

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:36:57 pm CST
Agreed Randolph
Sura. Gemstone well spoken

karinda {GS} 14:37:32 pm CST
karimda believes all the Free here had good comments on the topic.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:37:41 pm CST
for a love slave..the fear can be quite intense...it is said that a Master may become weak..then a Master must sell

meral{Bretval} 14:38:05 pm CST
nothing more from mea thank You Jarl

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:38:30 pm CST
No 3 her3 Randolph

sura{Austin} 14:38:55 pm CST
smiles in gratitude to the Masters
girl is learning from You Aall and her sisters

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:39:22 pm CST
nothing more from Your beast of burden, my Jarl

sura{Austin} 14:40:19 pm CST
None here, Jarl, thank You

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:40:32 pm CST
Always a possibility, ruby... but only to be a concern when and if it happens

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:41:11 pm CST
Nothing more from Me Randolph

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:41:34 pm CST
As a summary:

Again we all seem to be on the same wavelength - I do feel that although GS is not perfect we do seem to have a good balance as to keeping to the Gorean principles yet managing to keep the 'human' side of things in a reasonable balance - which is evidenced by the numbers we have in GS as a whole

karinda {GS} 14:41:43 pm CST
No more from this mere paga slave

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:42:48 pm CST
Randolph why we are growin* where others are failing

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:43:16 pm CST
On that note I close EForum for this week - thanks to A/all for attending, giving such good topics and then for contributing to them - some very good points made.

kisses the scribe.

Jarl Randolph - GS Advisor - Owner of ruby~ 14:43:58 pm CST
yes, exactly, Kazar

ayli{Dak} ~chain sister to libi~ 14:44:04 pm CST
thank You Jarl Randolph for leading

thank you ruby for scribing

karinda {GS} 14:44:17 pm CST
Thank You Jarl Randolph for leading

Thanks to the lovely scribe ruby

meral{Bretval} 14:44:31 pm CST
Thank You leading Jarl Randolph

thank you for scribing ruby

Bretval {meral}: Scholar~ Warrior~Merchant 14:44:40 pm CST
Thank You for leading Randolph and My thanks to ruby for scribing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:44:54 pm CST
mmmm...meeting my Masters gifted kiss with hunger evident

thank You my Jarl for leading a very fine and important EForum

sura{Austin} 14:44:54 pm CST
Thanks Jarl Randolph for leading, hugs the precious scribe.

Kazar~infamous pirate.~{sei} 14:45:16 pm CST
Thanks for leading Randolph and gemstone fir scribing

ruby~{Randolph}~t 14:46:39 pm CST
rolls up the sacred scroll...as aways a pleasure to serve my Jarls Home in this fashion
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